evidence_text: Representative Pohutsky moved to refer HB 5178 to the Committee on Health Policy, with recommendation as substitute (H-1). The motion prevailed 6-3-0: FAVORABLE ROLL CALL Yeas: Reps. Brabec, Arbit, Pohutsky, Edwards, MacDonell, Rheingans. Nays: Reps. Schmaltz, Hoadley, Thompson. Pass: None. The committee returned to consideration of HB 5184 and HB 5185. Barb Hiltz, representing the University of Michigan, testified in support of HB 5184 and HB 5185. Dr. Catherine Macomber, representing Saginaw Valley State University, testified in support of HB 5184 and HB 5185. Jen Hirsch testified in support of HB 5184 and HB 5185. Dr. Chandra Carr, the Director of the Office of Practicum Education at Wayne State University School of Social Work, testified in support of HB 5184 and HB 5185. Trische Duckworth testified in support of HB 5184 and HB 5185. Brian Philson testified in opposition to HB 5184 and HB 5185. Questions and discussion followed. Dale Atkinson, representing the Atkinson Law Firm, testified in opposition to HB 5184 and HB 5185. Stacey Hardy-Chandler, representing the Association of Social Work Boards, testified in opposition to HB 5184 and HB 5185. The following people submitted a card in support of HB 5184 and HB 5185, but did not wish to speak: Elizabeth Kutter, representing the Michigan Health and Hospital Association. Daniel Cherrin, representing the Michigan Cars Council and Michigan Behavioral Health and Wellness Collaborative. Alan Bolter, representing the Community Mental Health Association of Michigan. The following person submitted a card in opposition to HB 5184 and HB 5185, but did not wish to speak: Gabe Basso, representing Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan.