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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY
REP. KELLY A BREEN
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Wednesday, March 22, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 521, House Office Building
The House Committee on Judiciary was called to order by Chair Breen.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Tsernoglou,
Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Absent: Rep. Hoskins.
Excused: Rep. Hoskins.
Representative Edwards moved to adopt the meeting minutes from March 15, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4021 before the committee:
HB 4021
(Rep. VanderWall)
A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled "Natural
resources and environmental protection act," by
amending sections 81101, 81132, 81145, 81146,
and 81150 (MCL 324.81101, 324.81132,
324.81145, 324.81146, and 324.81150), section
81101 as amended by 2020 PA 385 and sections
81132, 81145, 81146, and 81150 as added by 1995
PA 58.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4021, but did not wish to speak:
Taylor Riddenbusch, representing the Michigan Department of Natural Resources.
Representative Arbit moved to report out HB 4021 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 12-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Tsernoglou, Fink,
Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
At 10:45 AM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 10:59 AM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
The Chair laid HB 4021, HB 4139, HB 4140, HB 4141, HB 4144, HB 4145, HB 4146, HB
4147, HB 4148, SB 76, SB 77, SB 78, SB 79, SB 80, SB 81, SB 82, SB 83, SB 84, SB 85 and
SB 86 before the committee:
HB 4021
(Rep. VanderWall)
A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled "Natural
resources and environmental protection act," by
amending sections 81101, 81132, 81145, 81146,
and 81150 (MCL 324.81101, 324.81132,
324.81145, 324.81146, and 324.81150), section
81101 as amended by 2020 PA 385 and sections
81132, 81145, 81146, and 81150 as added by 1995
PA 58.
HB 4139
(Rep. MacDonell)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 175, entitled "The code
of criminal procedure," by amending section 11b
of chapter XVII (MCL 777.11b), as amended by
2016 PA 234.
HB 4140
(Rep. Whitsett)
A bill to amend 1937 PA 94, entitled "Use tax act,"
(MCL 205.91 to 205.111) by adding section 4ll.
HB 4141
(Rep. Price)
A bill to amend 1933 PA 167, entitled "General
sales tax act," (MCL 205.51 to 205.78) by adding
section 4ll.
HB 4144
(Rep. Brabec)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 372, entitled "An act to
regulate and license the selling, purchasing,
possessing, and carrying of certain firearms, gas
ejecting devices, and electro-muscular disruption
devices; to prohibit the buying, selling, or carrying
of certain firearms, gas ejecting devices, and
electro-muscular disruption devices without a
license or other authorization; to provide for the
forfeiture of firearms and electro-muscular
disruption devices under certain circumstances; to
provide for penalties and remedies; to provide
immunity from civil liability under certain
circumstances; to prescribe the powers and duties
of certain state and local agencies; to prohibit
certain conduct against individuals who apply for
or receive a license to carry a concealed pistol; to
make appropriations; to prescribe certain
conditions for the appropriations; and to repeal all
acts and parts of acts inconsistent with this act,"
by amending section 15 (MCL 28.435), as added
by 2000 PA 265, and by adding section 9.
HB 4145
(Rep. Puri)
A bill to provide for the issuance of restraining
orders prohibiting certain individuals from
possessing or purchasing firearms and ordering
the surrender and seizure of a restrained
individual's firearms; to provide for the powers
and duties of certain state and local governmental
officers and entities; to prescribe penalties; and to
provide remedies.
HB 4146
(Rep. Breen)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 372, entitled "An act to
regulate and license the selling, purchasing,
possessing, and carrying of certain firearms, gas
ejecting devices, and electro-muscular disruption
devices; to prohibit the buying, selling, or carrying
of certain firearms, gas ejecting devices, and
electro-muscular disruption devices without a
license or other authorization; to provide for the
forfeiture of firearms and electro-muscular
disruption devices under certain circumstances; to
provide for penalties and remedies; to provide
immunity from civil liability under certain
circumstances; to prescribe the powers and duties
of certain state and local agencies; to prohibit
certain conduct against individuals who apply for
or receive a license to carry a concealed pistol; to
make appropriations; to prescribe certain
conditions for the appropriations; and to repeal all
acts and parts of acts inconsistent with this act,"
by amending sections 2, 2b, 5b, and 8 (MCL
28.422, 28.422b, 28.425b, and 28.428), section 2
as amended by 2015 PA 200, section 2b as
amended by 2014 PA 205, and sections 5b and 8
as amended by 2017 PA 95.
HB 4147
(Rep. Brixie)
A bill to amend 1961 PA 236, entitled "Revised
judicature act of 1961," by amending sections
1908, 2529, and 2559 (MCL 600.1908, 600.2529,
and 600.2559), section 2529 as amended by 2014
PA 532 and section 2559 as amended by 2018 PA
261.
HB 4148
(Rep. Young)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 175, entitled "The code
of criminal procedure," (MCL 760.1 to 777.69) by
adding section 15e to chapter XVII.
SB 76
(Sen. Hertel)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 372, entitled "An act to
regulate and license the selling, purchasing,
possessing, and carrying of certain firearms, gas
ejecting devices, and electro-muscular disruption
devices; to prohibit the buying, selling, or carrying
of certain firearms, gas ejecting devices, and
electro-muscular disruption devices without a
license or other authorization; to provide for the
forfeiture of firearms and electro-muscular
disruption devices under certain circumstances; to
provide for penalties and remedies; to provide
immunity from civil liability under certain
circumstances; to prescribe the powers and duties
of certain state and local agencies; to prohibit
certain conduct against individuals who apply for
or receive a license to carry a concealed pistol; to
make appropriations; to prescribe certain
conditions for the appropriations; and to repeal all
acts and parts of acts inconsistent with this act,"
by amending sections 1, 2, 2a, 2b, 12, and 14a
(MCL 28.421, 28.422, 28.422a, 28.422b, 28.432,
and 28.434a), section 1 as amended by 2017 PA
95, section 2 as amended by 2015 PA 200, section
2a as amended by 2016 PA 301, section 2b as
amended by 2014 PA 205, section 12 as amended
by 2010 PA 209, and section 14a as added by 2010
PA 295.
SB 77
(Sen. Moss)
A bill to amend 1931 PA 328, entitled "The
Michigan penal code," by amending sections 223
and 232a (MCL 750.223 and 750.232a), section
223 as amended by 2012 PA 242 and section 232a
as amended by 1990 PA 321.
SB 78
(Sen. Cavanagh)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 175, entitled "The code
of criminal procedure," by amending sections 11b
and 16m of chapter XVII (MCL 777.11b and
777.16m), section 11b as amended by 2016 PA
234 and section 16m as amended by 2018 PA 637.
SB 79
(Sen. Bayer)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 372, entitled "An act to
regulate and license the selling, purchasing,
possessing, and carrying of certain firearms, gas
ejecting devices, and electro-muscular disruption
devices; to prohibit the buying, selling, or carrying
of certain firearms, gas ejecting devices, and
electro-muscular disruption devices without a
license or other authorization; to provide for the
forfeiture of firearms and electro-muscular
disruption devices under certain circumstances; to
provide for penalties and remedies; to provide
immunity from civil liability under certain
circumstances; to prescribe the powers and duties
of certain state and local agencies; to prohibit
certain conduct against individuals who apply for
or receive a license to carry a concealed pistol; to
make appropriations; to prescribe certain
conditions for the appropriations; and to repeal all
acts and parts of acts inconsistent with this act,"
by amending section 15 (MCL 28.435), as added
by 2000 PA 265, and by adding section 9.
SB 80
(Sen. McDonald Rivet)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 175, entitled "The code
of criminal procedure," by amending section 11b
of chapter XVII (MCL 777.11b), as amended by
2016 PA 234.
SB 81
(Sen. Irwin)
A bill to amend 1933 PA 167, entitled "General
sales tax act," (MCL 205.51 to 205.78) by adding
section 4ll.
SB 82
(Sen. Chang)
A bill to amend 1937 PA 94, entitled "Use tax act,"
(MCL 205.91 to 205.111) by adding section 4ll.
SB 83
(Sen. McMorrow)
A bill to provide for the issuance of restraining
orders prohibiting certain individuals from
possessing or purchasing firearms and ordering
the surrender and seizure of a restrained
individual's firearms; to provide for the powers
and duties of certain state and local governmental
officers and entities; to prescribe penalties; and to
provide remedies.
SB 84
(Sen. Polehanki)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 372, entitled "An act to
regulate and license the selling, purchasing,
possessing, and carrying of certain firearms, gas
ejecting devices, and electro-muscular disruption
devices; to prohibit the buying, selling, or carrying
of certain firearms, gas ejecting devices, and
electro-muscular disruption devices without a
license or other authorization; to provide for the
forfeiture of firearms and electro-muscular
disruption devices under certain circumstances; to
provide for penalties and remedies; to provide
immunity from civil liability under certain
circumstances; to prescribe the powers and duties
of certain state and local agencies; to prohibit
certain conduct against individuals who apply for
or receive a license to carry a concealed pistol; to
make appropriations; to prescribe certain
conditions for the appropriations; and to repeal all
acts and parts of acts inconsistent with this act,"
by amending sections 2, 2b, 5b, and 8 (MCL
28.422, 28.422b, 28.425b, and 28.428), section 2
as amended by 2015 PA 200, section 2b as
amended by 2014 PA 205, and sections 5b and 8
as amended by 2017 PA 95.
SB 85
(Sen. Anthony)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 175, entitled "The code
of criminal procedure," (MCL 760.1 to 777.69) by
adding section 15e to chapter XVII.
SB 86
(Sen. Singh)
A bill to amend 1961 PA 236, entitled "Revised
judicature act of 1961," by amending sections
1908, 2529, and 2559 (MCL 600.1908, 600.2529,
and 600.2559), section 2529 as amended by 2014
PA 532 and section 2559 as amended by 2018 PA
261.
Representative Brabec; Representative MacDonell; Bill Flory, representing the Michigan
Association of Justice; and Tonya Schardt, representing Brady, testified in support of HB
4139, HB 4140, HB 4141, HB 4144, SB 79, SB 80, SB 81 and SB 82. Questions and
discussion followed.
Austin Kreutz, representing the Bonhoeffer Forum, testified in opposition to HB 4139, HB
4140, HB 4141, HB 4144, SB 79, SB 80, SB 81 and SB 82. Questions and discussion
followed.
Tom Lambert, representing Michigan Open Carry, testified in opposition to HB 4139, HB
4140, HB 4141, HB 4144, SB 79, SB 80, SB 81 and SB 82. Questions and discussion
followed.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4139, HB 4140, HB 4141, HB 4144,
HB 4145, HB 4146, HB 4147, HB 4148, SB 76, SB 77, SB 78, SB 79, SB 80, SB 81, SB 82,
SB 83, SB 84, SB 85 and SB 86, but due to the time constraints was unable to speak:
Mitch Albers, representing the Michigan Department of Attorney General.
The following person submitted a card with a neutral position on HB 4145 and SB 83, but
due to the time constraints was unable to speak:
Chief David Kirk, representing the Michigan Association of Chiefs of Police.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4139, HB 4140, HB 4141, HB
4144, HB 4145, HB 4146, HB 4147, HB 4148, SB 76, SB 77, SB 78, SB 79, SB 80, SB 81,
SB 82, SB 83, SB 84, SB 85 and SB 86, but due to the time constraints were unable to speak:
Christopher Lee, representing the National Shooting Sports Foundation.
Brenden Boudreau, representing the Great Lakes Gun Rights.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4139, HB 4140, HB 4141, HB 4144,
HB 4145, HB 4146, HB 4147 and HB 4148, but did not wish to speak:
Catherine Marshall, representing Moms Demand Action / End Gun Violence Michigan.
Kelly Cleland, representing UMC - End Gun Violence Michigan.
Heather Schroeder, representing UMC - End Gun Violence Michigan.
Nicole Webb, representing UMC - End Gun Violence Michigan.
Laura Labarre, representing UMC - End Gun Violence Michigan.
Reverend Heather McDougull-Walsh, representing UMC - End Gun Violence Michigan.
Ruth Ann Church, representing UMC - End Gun Violence Michigan.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4139, HB 4140, HB 4141, HB 4144,
HB 4145, HB 4146, HB 4147, HB 4148, SB 76, SB 77, SB 78, SB 79, SB 80, SB 81, SB 82,
SB 83, SB 84, SB 85 and SB 86, but did not wish to speak:
Dwayne Gill with GCSI, representing the Alliance for Gun Responsibility.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4139, HB 4140, SB 76, SB 77, SB
78, SB 79, SB 80, SB 81, SB 82, SB 84, SB 85 and SB 86, but did not wish to speak:
Stephanie Johnson, representing the Michigan Association of Chiefs of Police.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4139 and HB 4144, but did not wish
to speak:
Trooper Kristina Droste, representing the Michigan State Police.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4140, HB 4141, SB 81 and SB 82,
but did not wish to speak:
Amy Trotter, representing the Michigan United Conservation Clubs.
Rob Anderson, representing the Michigan Farm Bureau.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4139, HB 4144, HB 4145, HB
4146, HB 4147, HB 4148, SB 76, SB 77, SB 78, SB 79, SB 80, SB 83, SB 84, SB 85 and SB
86, but did not wish to speak:
Keith Shafer, representing the Michigan Bear Hunters Association.
Rob Anderson, representing the Michigan Farm Bureau.
Mike Thorman, representing the Michigan Hunting Dog Federation.
Joe Hudson, representing the UP Bear Houndsmen Association.
Dave Johnson, representing the UP Sportsmens Alliance.
Roger Thorman, representing the Michigan State Foxhunters Association.
Dale Hendershot, representing the Michigan Trappers and Predator Callers Association.
Steve Dey, representing the Straits Area Sportsmen's Club.
Jim Wale, representing the Michigan State United Coon Hunters Association.
Amy Trotter, representing the Michigan United Conservation Clubs.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4145 and SB 83, but did not wish to
speak:
Thadd Gormas, representing the Michigan Academy of Physician Assistants.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to HB 4139, HB 4140, HB 4141, HB
4144, HB 4145, HB 4146, HB 4147, HB 4148, SB 76, SB 77, SB 78, SB 79, SB 80, SB 81,
SB 82, SB 83, SB 84, SB 85 and SB 86, but did not wish to speak:
Brady Schickinger, representing the Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4140, HB 4141, SB 81 and SB 82,
but did not wish to speak:
Rob Mass, representing the Michigan Department of Treasury.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to HB 4144, HB 4145 and SB 83, but
did not wish to speak:
Matt Saxton, Executive Director, representing the Michigan Sheriffs' Association.
The following person submitted a card in support of SB 76 and SB 79, but did not wish to
speak:
Matt Saxton, Executive Director, representing the Michigan Sheriffs' Association.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4140, HB 4141, HB 4144, HB 4145,
HB 4146, HB 4147, HB 4148, SB 76, SB 77, SB 78, SB 79, SB 80, SB 81, SB 82, SB 83, SB
84, SB 85 and SB 86, but did not wish to speak:
Anne Kuhnen, representing the Michigan League for Public Policy - Kids Count.
Representative Edwards moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4139. The motion prevailed
7-2-3:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Wozniak, Johnsen.
Pass: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Outman.
Representative Dievendorf moved to report out HB 4139 with recommendation, as substitute
(H-1). The motion prevailed 7-4-1:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Johnsen.
Pass: Rep. Outman.
Representative Hope moved to adopt substitute (H-2) to HB 4140. The motion prevailed 7-0-
5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Representative Tyrone Carter moved to report out HB 4140 with recommendation, as
substitute (H-2). The motion prevailed 7-4-1:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Johnsen.
Pass: Rep. Outman.
Representative Tsernoglou moved to adopt substitute (H-2) to HB 4141. The motion
prevailed 7-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Representative Arbit moved to report out HB 4141 with recommendation, as substitute (H-2).
The motion prevailed 7-5-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Pass: None.
Representative Edwards moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4144. The motion prevailed
7-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Representative Edwards moved to report out HB 4144 with recommendation, as substitute
(H-1). The motion prevailed 7-5-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Pass: None.
Representative Tyrone Carter moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to SB 79. The motion prevailed
7-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Representative Hope moved to report out SB 79 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 7-5-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Pass: None.
Representative Edwards moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to SB 80. The motion prevailed 7-0-
5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Representative Hope moved to report out SB 80 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 7-5-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Pass: None.
Representative Dievendorf moved to report out SB 81 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 7-5-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Pass: None.
Representative Edwards moved to report out SB 82 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 7-5-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Pass: None.
Representative Tsernoglou moved to excuse Representative Hoskins from the meeting. There
being no objection the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Breen adjourned the meeting at
11:58 AM.
Representative Kelly Breen, Chair
Melissa Sweet
Committee Clerk
msweet@house.mi.gov


meeting_state: held

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MEMBERS:
SEN. KEVIN HERTEL, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. SYLVIA SANTANA
SEN. RICK OUTMAN, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON VETERANS AND
EMERGENCY SERVICES
SENATOR VERONICA KLINEFELT
CHAIR
6600 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7670
FAX: (517) 373-5958
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
March 22, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Veterans and Emergency Services was scheduled for Wednesday, March
22, 2023, at 8:30 a.m., in the 1300 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Presentation by the Police Officers Association of Michigan.
2. Presentation by the Michigan Professional Fire Fighters Union.
The Chair called the meeting to order at 9:03 a.m. She instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Klinefelt, Sen.(s) Hertel, Santana and Outman, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Outman to adopt the meeting minutes from March 15, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair invited the following individuals to give the committee a presentation:
Jim Tignanelli, Executive Director of the Police Officers Association of Michigan
Steve Sellers, Police Officers Association of Michigan
Matthew Sahr, President, Michigan Professional Fire Fighters Union
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 9:47 a.m.
Date adopted by committee: 04/19/2023
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MEMBERS:
SEN. JEREMY MOSS, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. SEAN MCCANN
SEN. ROSEMARY BAYER
SEN. JEFF IRWIN
SEN. MARK HUIZENGA, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. LANA THEIS
SEN. KEVIN DALEY
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON FINANCE, INSURANCE,
AND CONSUMER PROTECTION
SENATOR MARY CAVANAGH
CHAIR
6500 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7748
FAX: (517) 373-1387
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
March 22, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Finance, Insurance, and Consumer Protection was scheduled for
Wednesday, March 22, 2023, at 12:30 p.m., in the 1200 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Testimony regarding SB 50 (Sen. Santana).
The Chair called the meeting to order at 12:31 p.m.. She instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Cavanagh, Sen.(s) Moss, McCann, Bayer, Irwin, Huizenga, Theis and
Daley, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Theis to adopt the meeting minutes from March 15, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 50:
Sen. Sylvia Santana – Support
Jerome Reide, Michigan Department of Civil Rights – Support
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 50:
Andrea Cascarilla, Delta Township Board of Trustees – Support
John Fournier, City of Ann Arbor – Support
Haleigh Krombeen, Michigan Credit Union League – Support
Brian Shoaf, Detroit Regional Chamber – Support
Tom Hickson, Michigan Catholic Conference – Support
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 12:40 p.m.
Date adopted by committee: 04/26/23
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MEMBERS:
SEN. SYLVIA SANTANA, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. PAUL WOJNO
SEN. JOHN CHERRY
SEN. VERONICA KLINEFELT
SEN. ERIKA GEISS
SEN. MICHAEL WEBBER, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. ROGER HAUCK
SEN. MARK HUIZENGA
SEN. JIM RUNESTAD
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON HEALTH POLICY
SENATOR KEVIN HERTEL
CHAIR
7600 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7315
FAX: (517) 373-3126
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
March 22, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Health Policy was scheduled for Wednesday, March 22, 2023, at 12:30
p.m., in the 1100 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Presentations regarding Maternal and Infant Health.
The Chair called the meeting to order at 12:32 p.m. He instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Hertel, Sen.(s) Santana, Wojno, Cherry, Klinefelt, Geiss, Webber,
Hauck, Huizenga, and Runestad, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Wojno to adopt the meeting minutes from March 15, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair invited Dawn Shanafelt, Director of both the Division of Maternal and Infant Health and the Title V
Maternal Child Health Block Grant Program for the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services, to
give a presentation regarding advancing birth equity.
The Chair invited Dr. Jennifer Torres, Manager of the Office of Women's Health and Birth Equity at the
Michigan Public Health Institute, to give a presentation regarding community-based work to address maternal
and infant outcomes.
The Chair invited Amy Zaagman, Executive Director of the Michigan Council for Maternal and Child Health, to
give a presentation regarding policies that can support more equitable birth outcomes.
The Chair invited Colin Ford, CEO of the Michigan Chapter of the American Academy of Pediatrics, and Dr.
Dennis Cunningham, Infectious Disease Specialist at the Henry Ford Health System, to give a presentation
regarding specific infant and toddler policy challenges, including vaccine preventable diseases.
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 1:35 p.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: April 12, 2023
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21ST DISTRICT
SANTHONY@SENATE.MICHIGAN.GOV
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
SENATOR SARAH ANTHONY
CHAIR
324 CAPITOL BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-6960
FAX: (517) 373-0897
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
March 22, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Appropriations was scheduled for Wednesday, March 22, 2023, at 2:00
p.m., in the Harry T. Gast Appropriations Room.
1) Discussion and review of Strategic Outreach and Attraction Reserve (SOAR) projects
The Chair called the meeting to order at 2:00 p.m. She instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Anthony, Sen.(s) McCann, McDonald Rivet, Cherry, Bayer, Santana,
Shink, Irwin, Hertel, Camilleri, Klinefelt, McMorrow, Cavanagh, Bumstead, Albert, Damoose, Huizenga,
Outman and Theis, a quorum was present.
The Chair made a motion, supported by Sen. Cherry, to adopt the committee meeting minutes from the March 8,
2023 . Without objection, the meeting minutes were adopted.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding some of the Strategic Outreach and
Attraction Reserve (SOAR) projects:

Dr. Deeana Ahmed, Vice President of Strategy, Policy, and Sustainability, Our Next Energy

Chuck Thelen, Head of Gotion North America

Randy Thelen, President & CEO of the Right Place

Jim Chapman, Supervisor of Green Township

Dr. Bill Pink, President of Ferris State University
The following individuals tuned in cards:

Joseph Cella, Citizen – Oppose
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There being no further business before the committee, the Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Irwin, supported
by Sen. McDonald Rivet, to adjourn the committee at 2:56 p.m. Without objection, the committee was
adjourned.
Adopted: 4-12-23
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location: Room 1300, Binsfeld Office Building

evidence_text:
The Appropriations Subcommittee on General Government submitted the following:

Meeting held on Wednesday, March 22, 2023, at 3:00 p.m., Room 1300, Binsfeld Office Building

Present: Senators Cherry (C), Bayer, Singh, Klinefelt, Albert and Hauck


location: Room 1200, Binsfeld Office Building

evidence_text:
The Appropriations Subcommittee on LEO/MEDC submitted the following:

Meeting held on Wednesday, March 22, 2023, at 3:00 p.m., Room 1200, Binsfeld Office Building

Present: Senators Cavanagh (C), McDonald Rivet, McCann, McMorrow, Camilleri and Huizenga

Excused: Senator Bumstead


evidence_text:
The Appropriations Subcommittee on DHHS submitted the following:

Meeting held on Wednesday, March 22, 2023, at 4:00 p.m., Harry T. Gast Appropriations Room, 3rd Floor, Capitol Building

Present: Senators Santana (C), McDonald Rivet, Irwin, Cavanagh, Cherry, Camilleri, Bayer, Outman, Huizenga, Hauck and Theis

Senator Singh moved that the Senate adjourn.

The motion prevailed, the time being 2:08 p.m.

Pursuant to Senate Concurrent Resolution No. 7, the Assistant President pro tempore, Senator Geiss, declared the Senate adjourned until Tuesday, April 11, 2023, at 10:00 a.m.

DANIEL OBERLIN

Secretary of the Senate


location: the Harry T. Gast Appropriations Room

evidence_text:
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
March 22, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on DHHS was scheduled for Wednesday, March 22,
2023, at 4:00 p.m., in the Harry T. Gast Appropriations Room.
The Chair called the meeting to order at 4:03 p.m.
At 4:04 p.m. the Chair instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the following members were present:
Chair Santana, Sen.(s) McDonald Rivet, Irwin, Cavanagh, Cherry, Camilleri, Bayer, Outman, Huizenga, Hauck
and Theis, a quorum was present.
The Chair made a motion, supported by Sen. Camilleri, to adopt the meeting minutes from March 21, 2023.
Without objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding
Judge Marian Kromkowski, Leelanau County Probate / Family Division – No Position
James Gallant, Marquette County Suicide Prevention Coalition – No Position
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding
Assad Turfe, Deputy Wayne County Executive – No Position
Dr. Abdul El-Sayed, Wayne County Health Director – No Position
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding
Leonard Dixion, Superintendent of Cook County Juvenile Temporary Detention Center – No Position
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding
Elizabeth Hertel, Michigan Department of Health and Human Services- Director – No Position
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 5:47 p.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: April 11, 2023
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evidence_text:
**DRAFT**
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
March 22, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on General Government was scheduled for Wednesday,
March 22, 2023, at 3:00 p.m., in the 1300 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The Chair called the meeting to order at 3:00 p.m.. He instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Cherry, Sen.(s) Bayer, Singh, Klinefelt, Albert and Hauck, a quorum
was present.
The Chair made a motion, supported by Sen. Bayer, to adopt the meeting minutes from March 15, 2023.
Without objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding the Governor's FY 2023-24 budget
recommendation.
Cindy Paradine and Erin Schor, Department of State – No Position
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding the Governor's FY 2023-24 budget
recommendation.
Michelle Lange and Laura Clark, DTMB – No Position
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 3:51 p.m.
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evidence_text:
**DRAFT**
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
March 22, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on LEO/MEDC was scheduled for Wednesday, March
22, 2023, at 3:00 p.m., in the 1200 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The Chair called the meeting to order at 3:00 p.m.. She instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Cavanagh, Sen.(s) McDonald Rivet, McCann, McMorrow, Camilleri
and Huizenga, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. McDonald Rivet to adopt the meeting minutes from March 15, 2023.
Without objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding an agency overview.
Kathryn Snorrason, Office of Future Mobility
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding an agency overview.
Sarah Szurpicki, Office of Sixty by 30
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 4:00 p.m.
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location: Room 521, House Office Building

evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON ETHICS AND OVERSIGHT
REP. ERIN BYRNES
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, March 23, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 521, House Office Building
The House Committee on Ethics and Oversight was called to order by Chair Byrnes.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Byrnes, Breen, Churches, Wegela, Kunse, Wozniak, Harris.
Absent: Reps. Hope, Hoskins.
Excused: Reps. Hope, Hoskins.
Representative Wegela moved to adopt the meeting minutes from March 2, 2023. There being no
objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid the presentation on the Oversight of the Romulus Deep Well Injection Site before
the Committee.
Aaron Keatley and Travis Boeskool, both representing the The Michigan Department of
Environment, Great Lakes, and Energy provided a presentation on Republic Industrial and
Energy Solutions Wayne Disposal. Questions and discussion followed.
Mayor Robert McCraight, representing the City of Romulus, Michigan, provided a presentation
on his experience with Oversight of the Romulus Deep Well Injection Site. Questions and
discussion followed.
Senator Camilleri provided a presentation on his experience with Oversight of the Romulus
Deep Well Injection Site.
Representative DeSana provided a presentation on his experience with Oversight of the Romulus
Deep Well Injection Site.
Jackson Pahle, representing the Office of Representative Reggie Miller, provided a presentation
on Representative Miller’s experience with Oversight of the Romulus Deep Well Injection Site.
Representative Breen moved to excuse Representatives Hope and Hoskins from the meeting.
There being no objection the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Byrnes adjourned the meeting at
11:49 AM.
Representative Erin Byrnes, Chair
Dakota Soda
Committee Clerk
dsoda@house.mi.gov


location: Room 519, House Office Building

evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON HEALTH POLICY
REP. JULIE M. ROGERS
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, March 23, 2023
11:00 AM
Room 519, House Office Building
The House Committee on Health Policy was called to order by Chair Rogers.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Rogers, Whitsett, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia,
Conlin, Farhat, Fitzgerald, Miller, Rheingans, VanderWall, Filler, Mueller, VanWoerkom,
Roth, Schmaltz, Thompson.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Neeley moved to adopt the meeting minutes from March 16, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4224 before the committee:
HB 4224
(Rep. Rogers)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 280, entitled "The social
welfare act," by repealing sections 107a and 107b
(MCL 400.107a and 400.107b).
Representative VanderWall moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4224. The motion did not
prevail 7-12-0:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. VanderWall, Filler, Mueller, VanWoerkom, Roth, Schmaltz, Thompson.
Nays: Reps. Rogers, Whitsett, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia,
Conlin, Farhat, Fitzgerald, Miller, Rheingans.
Pass: None.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4224, but did not wish to speak:
Chardae Burton, representing the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services.
Yousef Rabhi, representing the Michigan Nurses Association.
Melissa Seifert, representing the AARP Michigan.
Evie Sweeney, representing the APTA-MI.
Representative Brenda Carter moved to report out HB 4224 with recommendation. The
motion prevailed 12-7-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Rogers, Whitsett, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia, Conlin,
Farhat, Fitzgerald, Miller, Rheingans.
Nays: Reps. VanderWall, Filler, Mueller, VanWoerkom, Roth, Schmaltz, Thompson.
Pass: None.
Chair Rogers laid before the committee a presentation on the School-Community Health
Alliance of Michigan. Renee Topolski, Deputy Director for the School-Community Health
Alliance of Michigan, and Kimberly Baron, Director of School Health Services for Grand
Rapids Public Schools, gave a presentation to the committee. Questions and discussion
followed.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Rogers adjourned the meeting at
11:30 AM.
Representative Julie M. Rogers, Chair
Melissa Sweet
Committee Clerk
msweet@house.mi.gov
Date Adopted: April 13, 2023


evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON INSURANCE AND FINANCIAL SERVICES
REP. BRENDA CARTER
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, March 23, 2023
9:00 a.m.
Room 521, House Office Building
The House Committee on Insurance and Financial Services was called to order by Chair
Brenda Carter.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Brenda Carter, McFall, Coleman, Stone, Breen, Rogers, Scott, Young,
Fitzgerald, Grant, Harris, Markkanen, Bezotte, Aragona, Bruck, Neyer, Smit.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Bruck joined the committee remotely.
Representative Young moved to adopt the meeting minutes from March 16, 2023. There
being no objections, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid before the committee a PowerPoint presentation presented by the Michigan
Bankers Association.
The following presenters testified on Michigan Banks:
Patricia Herndon, Chief Policy Officer of the Michigan Bankers Association;
Alex Morris, Assistant Vice-President of Advocacy for the Michigan Bankers
Association; and
Kenneth Kelly, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer for First Independence Bank.
Questions and discussion followed.
The Chair laid SB 101 before the committee:
SB 101
(Sen. Anthony)
A bill to amend 1956 PA 218, entitled "The
insurance code of 1956," by amending sections
5228, 5230, and 5245 (MCL 500.5228, 500.5230,
and 500.5245), as amended by 2020 PA 266.
Remy Gelderloos, Legislative Director for Senator Anthony, the bill sponsor, explained SB
101.
Gabe Basso; Manager of State Governmental Relations at Blue Cross Blue Shield of
Michigan testified in support of SB 101.
The following people submitted a card in support of SB 101, but did not wish to speak:
Dyck Van Koevering, General Counsel for the Insurance Alliance of Michigan;
Christine Shearer, Deputy Director of Legislation and Advocacy for Michigan
Association of Health Plans;
Rob Anderson, Manager of Government Relations at Farm Bureau; and
Joseph Sullivan, Legislative Liaison at Michigan Department of Insurance and Financial
Services.
Representative Breen moved to report out SB 101 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 10-0-6:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Brenda Carter, McFall, Coleman, Stone, Breen, Rogers, Scott, Young,
Fitzgerald, Grant.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Harris, Markkanen, Bezotte, Aragona, Neyer, Smit.
There being no further business before the committee, Representative Scott moved to
adjourn. Chair Brenda Carter adjourned the meeting at 9:59 a.m.
Representative Brenda Carter, Chair
Joy Brewer
Committee Clerk
joybrewer@house.mi.gov


location: Room 327, House Office Building

evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES, ENVIRONMENT, TOURISM AND OUTDOOR
RECREATION
REP. LAURIE POHUTSKY
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, March 23, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 327, House Office Building
The House Committee on Natural Resources, Environment, Tourism and Outdoor Recreation
was called to order by Chair Pohutsky.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Pohutsky, Hill, Shannon, Arbit, McFall, Paiz, Martin, Prestin, Schriver.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Arbit moved to adopt the meeting minutes from March 16, 2023. There being
no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4083 before the committee:
HB 4083
(Rep. Rogers)
A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled "Natural
resources and environmental protection act,"
(MCL 324.101 to 324.90106) by adding subpart 3
to part 147.
Representative Rogers introduced the substitute (H-2) for HB 4083.
The Chair laid a presentation by the Composting Council of Michigan before the committee.
Bill Whitley from the Composting Council of Michigan gave an overview presentation of the
organization. Questions and discussion followed.
The Committee returned to consideration of HB 4083.
The following person submitted a card with a neutral position on HB 4083, but did not wish
to speak:
Michelle Batora, representing the Michigan Cleaners Association.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4083, but did not wish to speak:
Yousef Rabhi, representing the Michigan Nurses Association.
Representative Hill moved to adopt substitute (H-2) to HB 4083. The motion prevailed 9-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Pohutsky, Hill, Shannon, Arbit, McFall, Paiz, Martin, Prestin, Schriver.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Prestin offered the following amendment to HB 4083:
1. Amend page 3, line 8, after "than" by striking out "$10,000.00." and inserting "$1,000.00.".
Representative Prestin moved to adopt the amendment to HB 4083. The motion did not
prevail 3-6-0:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Martin, Prestin, Schriver.
Nays: Reps. Pohutsky, Hill, Shannon, Arbit, McFall, Paiz.
Pass: None.
Representative Martin offered the following amendments to HB 4083:
1. Amend page 2, line 10, after "the" by striking out "cost-share" and inserting "one hundred
percent grant".
2. Amend page 2, line 14, after "the" by striking out "cost-share" and inserting "one hundred
percent grant".
3. Amend page 2, line 18, after "a" by striking out "cost-share" and inserting "one hundred
percent grant".
4. Amend page 2, line 29, after the second "the" by striking out "cost-share" and inserting
"one hundred percent grant".
Representative Martin moved to adopt the amendments to HB 4083. The motion did not
prevail 2-7-0:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Martin, Prestin.
Nays: Reps. Pohutsky, Hill, Shannon, Arbit, McFall, Paiz, Schriver.
Pass: None.
Representative Martin offered the following amendments to HB 4083:
1. Amend page 1, line 4, after "a" by striking out "dry cleaning".
2. Amend page 1, line 5, after the second "a" by striking out "dry cleaning".
3. Amend page 1, line 8, by striking out "dry cleaning".
Representative Martin moved to adopt the amendments to HB 4083. The motion did not
prevail 2-7-0:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Martin, Prestin.
Nays: Reps. Pohutsky, Hill, Shannon, Arbit, McFall, Paiz, Schriver.
Pass: None.
Representative Hill moved to report out HB 4083 with recommendation, as substitute (H-2).
The motion prevailed 7-2-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Pohutsky, Hill, Shannon, Arbit, McFall, Paiz, Prestin.
Nays: Reps. Martin, Schriver.
Pass: None.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Pohutsky adjourned the meeting
at 11:19 AM.
Representative Laurie Pohutsky, Chair
Legan Rose
Committee Clerk
LRose@house.mi.gov


location: Room 326, House Office Building

evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND SMALL BUSINESS SUBCOMMITTEE ON
HOUSING
REP. KEVIN COLEMAN
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, March 23, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 326, House Office Building
The House Economic Development and Small Business Subcommittee on Housing was
called to order by Chair Coleman.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Coleman, Dievendorf, Stone, Scott, Andrews, Grant, Tsernoglou, Aragona,
Zorn, Fink, DeBoyer.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Stone moved to adopt the meeting minutes from March 16, 2023. There being
no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid a presentation on Housing Michigan before the committee.
Jen Rigterink from the Michigan Municipal League, Dawn Crandall from the Home Builders
Association of Michigan, Kent Wood from Housing North and Josh Lunger from the Grand
Rapids Chamber gave a presentation on Housing Michigan.
Questions and discussions followed.
There being no further business before the subcommittee, Chair Coleman adjourned the
meeting at 11:42 AM.
Representative Kevin Coleman, Chair
Elaine Kupiec
Committee Clerk
ekupiec@house.mi.gov


evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON HEALTH POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE ON BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
REP. FELICIA BRABEC
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, March 23, 2023
9:00 AM
Room 519, House Office Building
The House Health Policy Subcommittee on Behavioral Health was called to order by Chair
Brabec.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Brabec, Arbit, Pohutsky, Glanville, Edwards, MacDonell, Rheingans,
Schmaltz, Hoadley, St. Germaine, Thompson.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Schmaltz moved to adopt the meeting minutes from March 16, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
Chair Brabec laid before the committee a presentation by Sheryl Kubiak, Dean and Professor,
Director of Center for Behavioral Health and Justice, at Wayne State University. Questions
and discussion followed.
Chair Brabec laid before the committee a presentation by Clare Luz, PhD, Associate
Professor at MSU College of Osteopathic Medicine and founding director of MSU AgeAlive
and IMPART Alliance. Questions and discussion followed.
Chair Brabec laid before the committee a presentation by Bob Stein, General Counsel for
Michigan Assisted Living Association. Questions and discussion followed.
There being no further business before the subcommittee, Chair Brabec adjourned the
meeting at 10:23 AM.
Representative Felicia Brabec, Chair
Melissa Sweet
Committee Clerk
msweet@house.mi.gov
Date Adopted: April 13, 2023


evidence_text:
MEMBERS:
SEN. SUE SHINK, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. PAUL WOJNO
SEN. JEFF IRWIN
SEN. SYLVIA SANTANA
SEN. JIM RUNESTAD, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. RUTH JOHNSON
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON CIVIL RIGHTS,
JUDICIARY, AND PUBLIC SAFETY
SENATOR STEPHANIE CHANG
CHAIR
4100 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7346
FAX: (517) 373-9320
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
March 23, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Civil Rights, Judiciary, and Public Safety was scheduled for Thursday,
March 23, 2023, at 12:00 p.m., in the 1200 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1.
Reported SB 56 (Sen. Chang) with recommendation and immediate effect.
2.
Reported SB 59 (Sen. Cherry) with recommendation and immediate effect.
3.
Presentation by the Juvenile Justice Task Force.
The Chair called the meeting to order at 2:20 p.m. She instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Chang, Sen.(s) Shink, Wojno, Santana, Runestad and Johnson, a
quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Shink to adopt the meeting minutes from March 16, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair brought up SB 56.
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to present testimony regarding SB 56:
Brian Shoaf, Detroit Regional Chamber – Support
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Shink report SB 56 to the floor with recommendation that it pass. The
vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Chang, Sen.(s) Shink, Wojno, Santana and Johnson
Nays: Sen. Runestad
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair moved to recommend immediate effect for SB 56. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
Sen. Irwin entered the meeting.
The Chair brought up SB 59.
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The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to present testimony regarding SB 59:
Taylor Ridderbusch, Michigan Department of Natural Resources - Support
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Wojno report SB 59 to the floor with recommendation that it pass. The
vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Chang, Sen.(s) Shink, Wojno, Irwin, Santana, Runestad and Johnson
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair moved to recommend immediate effect for SB 59. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chair invited the following individuals to make a presentation to the committee regarding the Juvenile
Justice Task Force Report and Recommendations:
Nina Salomon, Council of State Governments Justice Center
Alicia Moon, General Counsel, Michigan Supreme Court
Jen Peacock, Michigan Center for Youth Justice
Thom Lattig, Michigan Association for Family Court Administration
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 3:15 p.m.
Date adopted by committee: 04/13/2023
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location: the 403 Room of the Capitol Building

evidence_text:
MEMBERS:
SEN. KRISTEN MCDONALD RIVET, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. SAM SINGH
SEN. ROSEMARY BAYER
SEN. SUE SHINK
SEN. KEVIN HERTEL
SEN. DARRIN CAMILLERI
SEN. STEPHANIE CHANG
SEN. DAYNA POLEHANKI
SEN. DAN LAUWERS, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. JOHN DAMOOSE
SEN. RICK OUTMAN
SEN. ROGER HAUCK
SEN. JOSEPH BELLINO
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND
ENVIRONMENT
SENATOR SEAN MCCANN
CHAIR
7100 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-5100
FAX: (517) 373-5115
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
March 23, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Energy and Environment was scheduled for Thursday, March 23, 2023,
at 8:30 a.m., in the 403 Room of the Capitol Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Presentations regarding the Recent Storm-Related Power Outages in Michigan.
The Chair called the meeting to order at 8:32 a.m. He instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair McCann, Sen.(s) McDonald Rivet, Singh, Bayer, Shink, Hertel,
Camilleri, Chang, Polehanki, Lauwers, Damoose, Outman, Hauck, and Bellino, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. McDonald Rivet to adopt the meeting minutes from March 16, 2023.
Without objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair gave introductory remarks.
The Chair invited Dan Scripps, Chairman of the Michigan Public Service Commission, to give a presentation
regarding the ice storm-related power outages.
The Chair invited Trevor Laurer, President of DTE Electric, to give a presentation regarding the ice storm-
related power outages.
The Chair invited Tonya Berry, Senior Vice President of Transformation and Engineering, and Chris Laird, Vice
President of Electric Operations, for Consumers Energy, to give a presentation regarding the ice storm-related
power outages.
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 9:53 a.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: April 13, 2023
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The Appropriations Subcommittee on Corrections and Judiciary submitted the following:

Meeting held on Thursday, March 23, 2023, at 1:30 p.m., Room 1300, Binsfeld Office Building

Present: Senators Shink (C), Santana, Irwin and Outman

Scheduled Meetings

Appropriations – Wednesday, April 12, 2:00 p.m., Harry T. Gast Appropriations Room, 3rd Floor, Capitol Building (517) 373-5307

Subcommittee –

Capital Outlay, Joint – Wednesday, April 12, 4:00 p.m., or immediately following session, Room 352, House Appropriations Room, 3rd Floor, Capitol Building (517) 373-2768

Civil Rights, Judiciary and Public Safety – Thursday, April 13, 12:00 noon, Room 1200, Binsfeld Office Building (517) 373-5312

Economic and Community Development – Thursday, April 13, 12:00 noon, Room 1100, Binsfeld Office Building (517) 373-1721

Education – Thursday, April 13, 4:00 p.m., Room 1100, Binsfeld Office Building (517) 373-5314

Elections and Ethics – Wednesday, April 12, 3:00 p.m., Room 1100, Binsfeld Office Building (517) 373‑1721

Health Policy – Wednesday, April 12, 12:30 p.m., Room 1100, Binsfeld Office Building (517) 373-5323

Labor – Thursday, April 13, 8:30 a.m., Room 1300, Binsfeld Office Building (517) 373-5314

State Drug Treatment Court Advisory – Thursday, April 20, 9:00 a.m., Legislative Council Conference Room, 3rd Floor, Boji Tower (517) 373-0212

Senator Singh moved that the Senate adjourn.

The motion prevailed, the time being 10:27 a.m.

The President, Lieutenant Governor Gilchrist, declared the Senate adjourned until Wednesday, April 12, 2023, at 10:00 a.m.

DANIEL OBERLIN

Secretary of the Senate


evidence_text:
**DRAFT**
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
March 23, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Corrections and Judiciary was scheduled for
Thursday, March 23, 2023, at 2:00 p.m., in the 1200 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The Chair called the meeting to order at 2:27 p.m.. She instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Shink, Sen.(s) Santana, Irwin and Outman, a quorum was present.
The Chair made a motion to adopt the meeting minutes from March 9, 2023 and March 16, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony:
At 2:29 p.m. Judge Harvey Hoffman and Katharine Hude from the Michigan Association of Treatment
Court Professionals.
At 2:48 p.m. Ashley Golden of Nation Outside.
At 3:07 p.m. Dan Varner and Gregory Anderson of Goodwill Flip the Script.
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 3:34 p.m.
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The Appropriations Subcommittee on PreK-12 submitted the following:

Joint

meeting held on Monday, April 10, 2023, at 5:30 p.m., Mumford High School, 17525 Wyoming Avenue, Detroit

Present: Senators Camilleri (C), Polehanki, Hertel, Klinefelt, Cavanagh and Albert

Excused: Senator Theis


evidence_text:
**DRAFT**
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
April 10, 2023
A joint meeting of the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on PreK-12 and House Committee on
Appropriations Subcommittee on School Aid and Education was scheduled for Monday, April 10, 2023, at 5:30
p.m., in the Mumford High School 17525 Wyoming Ave. Detroit, MI 48221.
The Chair called the meeting to order at 5:34 p.m.. He instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Camilleri, Sen.(s) Polehanki, Hertel, Klinefelt, Cavanagh and Albert, a
quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Cavanagh, supported by Sen. Camilleri, to excuse absent members from
the meeting. Without objection, Sen. Theis was excused from the meeting.
Senator Theis participated in the meeting via Zoom.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Polehanki, supported by Sen. Camilleri, to adopt the meeting minutes
from March 6, 2023. Without objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding teacher recruitment and retention
Luis Solano, Deputy Superintendent Detroit Public Schools Community District
Deyna People, Chris Spencer, Brian Peck, and Jerry Lawrence, Teach For America
Kathi Martin, Marcus Walton, Jason Posey, and Robin Jennings, American Federation of Teachers
Hezekiah Smith, Shantineth Lowe, Perriel Pace, Kaylee Walker, and Arlyssa Heard, 482 Forward
Dr. Tim Wood, former VP of Grand Valley State University
Chisteen Christiansen, parent
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Klinefelt,
supported by Sen. Camilleri, to adjourn the committee at 7:29 p.m.Without objection, the committee was
adjourned.
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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON CRIMINAL JUSTICE
REP. KARA HOPE
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, April 11, 2023
9:00 AM
Room 519, House Office Building
The House Committee on Criminal Justice was called to order by Chair Hope.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou, Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Andrews moved to adopt the meeting minutes from March 21, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
Chair Hope laid before the committee a presentation by the Criminal Defense Attorneys of
Michigan (CDAM). Jessica Zimbelman, Managing Attorney, State Appellate Defender
Office, and Co-Chair, CDAM Rules & Law Committee, gave a presentation to the
committee. Questions and discussion followed.
At 9:22 AM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 9:23 AM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
The Chair laid HB 4191, HB 4192, HB 4193 and HB 4194 before the committee:
HB 4191
(Rep. Aiyash)
A bill to amend 1949 PA 300, entitled "Michigan
vehicle code," by amending section 307 (MCL
257.307), as amended by 2020 PA 376.
HB 4192
(Rep. Brabec)
A bill to amend 1953 PA 232, entitled
"Corrections code of 1953," by amending section
34c (MCL 791.234c), as added by 2012 PA 24.
HB 4193
(Rep. Edwards)
A bill to amend 1972 PA 222, entitled "An act to
provide for an official personal identification card;
to provide for its form, issuance and use; to
regulate the use and disclosure of information
obtained from the card; to prescribe the powers
and duties of the secretary of state; to prescribe
fees; to prescribe certain penalties for violations;
and to provide an appropriation for certain
purposes," by amending section 1 (MCL 28.291),
as amended by 2021 PA 105.
HB 4194
(Rep. McFall)
A bill to amend 2008 PA 23, entitled "Enhanced
driver license and enhanced official state personal
identification card act," by amending section 5
(MCL 28.305), as amended by 2021 PA 106.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4191, HB 4192, HB 4193 and HB
4194, but did not wish to speak:
Judy Karandjeff, representing the League of Women Voters of Michigan.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4191, HB 4192 and HB 4193, but
did not wish to speak:
Joe Haveman, representing Hope Network.
Representative Dievendorf moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4191. The motion
prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou, Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Breen moved to report out HB 4191 with recommendation, as substitute (H-
1). The motion prevailed 8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Breen moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4192. The motion prevailed 13-
0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou, Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Arbit moved to report out HB 4192 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Dievendorf moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4193. The motion
prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou, Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Breen moved to report out HB 4193 with recommendation, as substitute (H-
1). The motion prevailed 8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Tyrone Carter moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4194. The motion
prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou, Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Breen moved to report out HB 4194 with recommendation, as substitute (H-
1). The motion prevailed 8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
The Chair laid HB 4046 before the committee:
HB 4046
(Rep. Prestin)
A bill to amend 1961 PA 236, entitled "Revised
judicature act of 1961," by amending section 8409
(MCL 600.8409), as amended by 1991 PA 192.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4046, but did not wish to speak:
Matthew Miner, representing the Capitol Strategies Group.
Representative Filler moved to refer HB 4046 to the Committee on Judiciary. The motion
prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou, Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 4173 before the committee:
HB 4173
(Rep. Aiyash)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 175, entitled "The code
of criminal procedure," (MCL 760.1 to 777.69) by
adding sections 34a and 34b to chapter IX.
Representative Aiyash and Representative Meerman testified in support of HB 4173.
Questions and discussion followed.
Joe Haveman, representing Hope Network, testified in support of HB 4173. Questions and
discussion followed.
Barbara Levine, representing herself, testified in support of HB 4173. Questions and
discussion followed.
Carl Reynolds, representing the Council of State Governments, testified in support of HB
4173.
The following person submitted a card with a neutral position on HB 4173, but did not wish
to speak:
Sam Gibson, representing the Michigan Association of Counties.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4173, but did not wish to speak:
Kay Perry, representing MI-CURE.
Josh Lunger, representing the Grand Rapids Chamber of Commerce.
Brad Williams, representing the Detroit Regional Chamber.
Noah Smith, representing the Criminal Defense Attorneys of Michigan.
John Cooper, representing Safe and Just Michigan.
Chuck Warpehoski, representing MI-CEMI.
Peter Ruark, representing the Michigan League for Public Policy.
Bruce Timmons, representing himself.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to HB 4173, but did not wish to speak:
Matt Saxton, representing the Michigan Sheriffs' Association.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Hope adjourned the meeting at
10:15 AM.
Representative Kara Hope, Chair
Melissa Sweet
Committee Clerk
msweet@house.mi.gov


evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION
REP. MATT KOLESZAR
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, April 11, 2023
9:00 AM
Room 521, House Office Building
The House Committee on Education was called to order by Chair Koleszar.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Koleszar, Churches, Shannon, Stone, Weiss, Glanville, Conlin, Edwards,
Wegela, Greene, Markkanen, Paquette, Wendzel.
Absent: Rep. Johnsen.
Excused: Rep. Johnsen.
Representative Stone moved to adopt the meeting minutes from March 21, 2023. There being
no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4064 and SB 63 before the committee:
HB 4064
(Rep. Brenda Carter)
A bill to amend 1976 PA 451, entitled "The
revised school code," (MCL 380.1 to 380.1852) by
adding section 1164c.
SB 63
(Sen. Polehanki)
A bill to amend 1976 PA 451, entitled "The
revised school code," by amending section 1212
(MCL 380.1212), as amended by 2016 PA 319.
The Committee adopted amendments to HB 4064 at the March 7th, 2023 meeting.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4064, but did not wish to speak:
Dr. Sheryl Kennedy, representing the Michigan Department of Education.
Representative Edwards moved to report out HB 4064 with recommendation, as amended.
The motion prevailed 12-0-1:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Koleszar, Churches, Shannon, Stone, Weiss, Conlin, Edwards, Wegela,
Greene, Markkanen, Paquette, Wendzel.
Nays: None.
Pass: Rep. Glanville.
The following people submitted a card in support of SB 63, but did not wish to speak:
Bob Kefgen, representing the Michigan Association of Secondary School Principals.
Jerry Johnson, representing the Barry, Branch, Calhoun, Jackson, Lenawee and Monroe
Intermediate School Districts.
Dr. David Michelson, representing the Michigan Education Association.
Chris Glass, representing the Education Advocates of West Michigan.
Dr. Sheryl Kennedy, representing the Michigan Department of Education.
DaeSean Ashby, representing Clean Fuels Michigan.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to SB 63, but did not wish to speak:
Leah Robinson, representing the Michigan Chamber of Commerce.
Representative Wegela moved to report out SB 63 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 9-1-3:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Koleszar, Churches, Shannon, Stone, Weiss, Glanville, Conlin, Edwards,
Wegela.
Nays: Rep. Paquette.
Pass: Reps. Greene, Markkanen, Wendzel.
Representative Greene moved to excuse Representative Johnsen from the meeting. There
being no objection the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Koleszar adjourned the meeting
at 9:20 AM.
Representative Matt Koleszar, Chair
Legan Rose
Committee Clerk
LRose@house.mi.gov


evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON ELECTIONS
REP. PENELOPE TSERNOGLOU
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, April 11, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 327, House Office Building
The House Committee on Elections was called to order by Chair Tsernoglou.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Tsernoglou, Wegela, Hope, Byrnes, Churches, Smit, DeBoyer.
Absent: Rep. Koleszar.
Excused: Rep. Koleszar.
Representative Hope moved to adopt the meeting minutes from March 21, 2023. There being
no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid before the committee the Presentation by Michigan League of Conservation
Voters with State Government Affairs Director Nick Occhipinti, and Brooke Harris the
Director for Democracy for All. Questions and discussion followed.
Representative Byrnes moved to excuse Representative Koleszar from the meeting. There
being no objection the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Tsernoglou adjourned the
meeting at 10:50 AM.
Representative Penelope Tsernoglou, Chair
Edward Sleeper
Committee Clerk
esleeper@house.mi.gov
Date Adopted: April 20, 2023


evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON FAMILIES, CHILDREN AND SENIORS
REP. STEPHANIE A YOUNG
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, April 11, 2023
12:00 PM
Room 326, House Office Building
The House Committee on Families, Children and Seniors was called to order by Chair Young.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Young, Coffia, Glanville, Arbit, Edwards, MacDonell, Wozniak, Fox,
Thompson.
Absent: Rep. Johnsen.
Excused: Rep. Johnsen.
Representative Coffia moved to adopt the meeting minutes from March 21, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
At 12:03 PM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 12:07 PM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
The chair laid a presentation from Demetrius Starling, Senior Deputy Director, Children’s
Services Administration for the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services before
the Committee. Questions and discussion followed.
Representative Glanville moved to excuse Representative Johnsen from the meeting. There
being no objection the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Young adjourned the meeting at
12:57 PM.
Representative Stephanie A. Young, Chair
Elaine Kupiec
Committee Clerk
ekupiec@house.mi.gov


evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON REGULATORY REFORM
REP. TYRONE CARTER
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, April 11, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 519, House Office Building
The House Committee on Regulatory Reform was called to order by Chair Tyrone Carter.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Tyrone Carter, Liberati, Neeley, Scott, Young, Grant, McFall, Snyder,
Wilson, Mueller, Filler, Wendzel, Aragona, Bierlein, Neyer.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative McFall moved to adopt the meeting minutes from March 21, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4132 and HB 4133 before the committee:
HB 4132
(Rep. Snyder)
A bill to amend 1949 PA 300, entitled "Michigan
vehicle code," by amending sections 907 and 909
(MCL 257.907 and 257.909), section 907 as
amended by 2020 PA 382 and section 909 as
amended by 2000 PA 94, and by adding sections
2c, 627c, and 907a.
HB 4133
(Rep. Mueller)
A bill to amend 1961 PA 236, entitled "Revised
judicature act of 1961," by amending section 8379
(MCL 600.8379), as amended by 2000 PA 93.
Representative Neeley moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4132. The motion prevailed
15-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Tyrone Carter, Liberati, Neeley, Scott, Young, Grant, McFall, Snyder,
Wilson, Mueller, Filler, Wendzel, Aragona, Bierlein, Neyer.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Liberati moved to report out HB 4132 with recommendation, as substitute (H-
1). The motion prevailed 15-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Tyrone Carter, Liberati, Neeley, Scott, Young, Grant, McFall, Snyder,
Wilson, Mueller, Filler, Wendzel, Aragona, Bierlein, Neyer.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Grant moved to report out HB 4133 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 15-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Tyrone Carter, Liberati, Neeley, Scott, Young, Grant, McFall, Snyder,
Wilson, Mueller, Filler, Wendzel, Aragona, Bierlein, Neyer.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4132, but did not wish to speak:
Jim deSpelder, representing the County Road Association Self Insured Fund.
Jeff McAlvey, representing Michigan Paving and Materials.
John LaMaccia, representing the Michigan Municipal League.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to HB 4132, but did not wish to speak:
Gabrielle Dresner, representing the ACLU of Michigan.
The Chair laid HB 4201 before the committee:
HB 4201
(Rep. Grant)
A bill to amend 1998 PA 58, entitled "Michigan
liquor control code of 1998," by amending section
537a (MCL 436.1537a), as amended by 2021 PA
64.
Representative Snyder moved to report out HB 4201 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 15-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Tyrone Carter, Liberati, Neeley, Scott, Young, Grant, McFall, Snyder,
Wilson, Mueller, Filler, Wendzel, Aragona, Bierlein, Neyer.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4201, but did not wish to speak:
Josh Lunger, representing the Grand Rapids Chamber.
Leah Robinson, representing the Michigan Chamber.
The Chair laid HB 4322 before the committee:
HB 4322
(Rep. Coleman)
A bill to amend 2018 IL 1, entitled "Michigan
Regulation and Taxation of Marihuana Act," by
amending the title and sections 3, 4, 5, 8, 10, and
11 (MCL 333.27953, 333.27954, 333.27955,
333.27958, 333.27960, and 333.27961), sections 3
and 8 as amended by 2021 PA 56.
Representative Coleman and Robin Schneider, representing the Michigan Cannabis Industry
Association, testified in support of HB 4322. Questions and discussion followed.
Micah Siegal, representing Pure Brands and the Michigan Cannabis Industry Association,
testified in support of HB 4322.
The following person submitted a card with a neutral position on HB 4322, but did not wish
to speak:
Derek Sova, representing the Cannabis Regulatory Agency.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4322, but did not wish to speak:
Leah Robinson, representing the Michigan Chamber.
The Chair laid HB 4061 before the committee:
HB 4061
(Rep. Stone)
A bill to regulate the distribution, sale, and
manufacturing of kratom products; to require
licensing for certain conduct related to kratom and
kratom products; to prohibit the distribution, sale,
and manufacturing of certain kratom products; to
provide for the powers and duties of certain state
governmental officers and entities; to prescribe
fines and sanctions; to provide remedies; and to
require the promulgation of rules.
Representative Stone testified in support of HB 4061. Questions and discussion followed.
Mac Haddow, representing the American Kratom Association, testified in support of HB
4061.
Elizabeth Lucas, a professor at Macomb Community College, testified in support of HB
4061.
Mark Kilgore, representing the Care of Southeastern Michigan, testified in support of HB
4061.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4061, but did not wish to speak:
Frank Waters, representing the Michigan Primary Care Association.
Sean Sorenson-Abbott, representing the Michigan Health and Hospital Association.
Charlene McGunn, Ph.D., from Rochester Hills.
Chris Sexton, from Fraser.
Jane Reagan, from Williamston.
Mike Tobias, representing the Prevention Network.
Berni Nowakowski, from Clinton Township.
Ryan Reblin, from Clinton Township.
Michelle Hetherington, from Coconut Creek.
Garry Eppard.
Wendy Chamberlain, from Oneida, New York.
Irene Salem, representing the Judson Center.
Dawn Kettinger, representing the Michigan Nurses Association.
Karen Wood, representing MyCare Health Center.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to HB 4061, but did not wish to speak:
Derek Sova, representing the Cannabis Regulatory Agency.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Tyrone Carter adjourned the
meeting at 11:19 AM.
Representative Tyrone Carter, Chair
Molly Wingrove
Committee Clerk
mwingrove@house.mi.gov


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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION, MOBILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE
REP. NATE SHANNON
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, April 11, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 521, House Office Building
The House Committee on Transportation, Mobility and Infrastructure was called to order by
Chair Shannon.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Shannon, MacDonell, Conlin, Farhat, Fitzgerald, Hoskins, Miller, Outman,
Roth, Bruck, Kunse, St. Germaine.
Absent: Rep. Coleman.
Excused: None.
Representative Bruck joined the committee remotely.
Representative Roth moved to adopt the meeting minutes from March 21, 2023. There being no
objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4250, HB 4251 and HB 4252 before the committee:
HB 4250
(Rep. Koleszar)
A bill to amend 1949 PA 300, entitled "Michigan
vehicle code," by amending section 602b (MCL
257.602b), as amended by 2016 PA 332.
HB 4251
(Rep. Tyrone Carter)
A bill to amend 1949 PA 300, entitled "Michigan
vehicle code," by amending sections 319, 319b,
and 320a (MCL 257.319, 257.319b, and
257.320a), section 319 as amended by 2020 PA
376, section 319b as amended by 2015 PA 11, and
section 320a as amended by 2018 PA 349.
HB 4252
(Rep. Mueller)
A bill to amend 1949 PA 300, entitled "Michigan
vehicle code," by amending sections 602c, 732,
and 907 (MCL 257.602c, 257.732, and 257.907),
section 602c as added by 2012 PA 592, section
732 as amended by 2017 PA 160, and section 907
as amended by 2020 PA 382.
Representative Koleszar testified in support of HB 4250, HB 4251 and HB 4252. Questions and
discussion followed.
Steve Kiefer, Paula Kiefer, and Lexi Kiefer, representing the Kiefer Foundation, all testified in
support of HB 4250, HB 4251 and HB 4252. Questions and discussion followed.
Jim Santilli, representing the Transportation Improvement Association, testified in support of HB
4250, HB 4251 and HB 4252.
Jane Horal, wife of distracted driving victim Dan Horal, testified in support of HB 4250, HB
4251 and HB 4252. Questions and discussion followed.
James Freybler, representing Stay Alive Don't Text and Drive, testified in support of HB 4250,
HB 4251 and HB 4252.
Jerome Reide, J.D., Ph.D., representing the Michigan Department of Civil Rights, testified in
opposition to HB 4250.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4250, HB 4251 and HB 4252, but did
not wish to speak:
Mike Spence, representing the Southeast Michigan Council of Governments.
Karen Johston, representing Toyota Motor North America.
John Lindenmayer, representing the League of Michigan Bicyclists.
Brian Shoaf, representing the Detroit Regional Chamber.
Paul Corbett, representing MICHauto.
Brian O'Connel, representing General Motors.
Craig Ryan, representing AAA-The Auto Club Group.
Sergeant Travis Fletcher, representing the Michigan State Police.
The following person submitted a card with a neutral position on HB 4250 but did not wish to
speak:
Ed Hude, representing the American Radio Relay League.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Shannon adjourned the meeting at
11:17 AM.
Representative Nate Shannon, Chair
Dakota Soda
Committee Clerk
dsoda@house.mi.gov


location: Room 403, 4th Floor, Capitol Building

evidence_text:
The Appropriations Subcommittee on DHHS submitted the following:

Meeting held on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, at 8:30 a.m., Room 403, 4th Floor, Capitol Building

Present: Senators Santana (C), McDonald Rivet, Cavanagh, Cherry, Camilleri, Bayer, Outman, Huizenga, Hauck and Theis

Excused: Senator Irwin


evidence_text:
The Appropriations Subcommittee on Military, Veterans, State Police submitted the following:

Meeting held on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, at 9:00 a.m., Harry T. Gast Appropriations Room, 3rd Floor, Capitol Building

Present: Senators Hertel (C) and Klinefelt

Excused: Senator Theis


evidence_text:
MEMBERS:
SEN. VERONICA KLINEFELT, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. PAUL WOJNO
SEN. KEVIN HERTEL
SEN. DARRIN CAMILLERI
SEN. STEPHANIE CHANG
SEN. SEAN MCCANN
SEN. JOSEPH BELLINO, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. EDWARD MCBROOM
SEN. ROGER VICTORY
SEN. JON BUMSTEAD
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND
INFRASTRUCTURE
SENATOR ERIKA GEISS
CHAIR
5500 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7800
FAX: (517) 373-9310
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
April 11, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure was scheduled for Tuesday, April 11,
2023, at 3:30 p.m., in the 403 Room of the Capitol Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Testimony regarding SB 124 (S-1) (Sen. Camilleri).
2. Testimony regarding SB 125 (S-1) (Sen. Camilleri).
3. Testimony regarding SB 100 (Sen. Geiss).
4. Testimony regarding SB 139 (Sen. Geiss).
The Chair called the meeting to order at 3:31 p.m. She instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Geiss, Sen.(s) Klinefelt, Wojno, Hertel, Camilleri, McCann, Bellino,
Victory, and Bumstead, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Klinefelt to adopt the meeting minutes from March 21, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
Sen. Camilleri offered (S-1) versions of SB 124 and SB 125.
The Chair invited Sen. Camilleri to summarize the changes in the (S-1) versions of SB 124 and SB 125.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Camilleri to adopt the (S-1) version of SB 124. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Geiss, Sen.(s) Klinefelt, Wojno, Hertel, Camilleri, McCann, Bellino, Victory, and Bumstead
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the (S-1) was adopted.
At 3:33 p.m., Sen. Chang entered the meeting.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Camilleri to adopt the (S-1) version of SB 125. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Geiss, Sen.(s) Klinefelt, Wojno, Hertel, Camilleri, Chang, McCann, Bellino, Victory, and
Bumstead
Nays: None
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The motion prevailed and the (S-1) was adopted.
At 3:34 p.m., Sen. McBroom entered the meeting.
The Chair invited Sen. Camilleri to summarize SB 124 and SB 125.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 124 and SB 125:
Kevin Krause, Romulus Community Safety and Development – Support
Chief Mike Oakley, Trenton Police – Support
Kristine Donahue, Taylor, Trenton, and Wayne Hospitals – Support
Megan Blue, Corewell Health – Support
Jon Cool, Michigan Railroads Association – Support
Steve Vagnozzi, Michigan Association of Railroad Passengers – Support
Donald Roach, SMART Union – Support
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 124 and
SB 125:
Judy Allen, Michigan Townships Association – Support
Sara Cambensy, Michigan Chemistry Council – Support
John LaMacchia, Michigan Municipal League – Support
Paul Corbett, MICHauto – Support
Mike Spence, Southeast Michigan Council of Governments – Support
Troy Hagon, Michigan Department of Transportation – Support
Dave Worthams, Michigan Manufacturers Association – Support
Angela Ayers and Paul Roosen, Ford Motor Company – Support
The Chair summarized SB 100 and SB 139.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 100 and SB 139:
Don Roach, SMART Union – Support
BJ Trumble, Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen – Support
Jon Cool, Michigan Railroads Association – Oppose
Chris Bagwell, Adrian and Blissfield Railroad – Oppose
Jared Cassity, SMART Union – Support
Due to time constraints, the following individuals were unable to present testimony regarding SB 100 and SB
139:
John Rickeff and Mike Stickel, Lake State Railway – Oppose
Eric Stanger, SMART Union – Support
Sara Cambensy, Michigan Chemistry Council – Oppose
Due to time constraints, the following individuals were unable to present testimony regarding SB 139:
Steve Vagnozzi, Michigan Association of Railroad Passengers – Support
Angela Ayers and Paul Roosen, Ford Motor Company – Oppose
Brian O'Connell, General Motors – Oppose
The following cards were turned in of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding
SB 100 and SB 139:
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Kevin Krause, Romulus Community Safety and Development – Support
Nic Pfeiffer, Brotherhood of Maintenance of Way Employees – Support
Troy Hagon, Michigan Department of Transportation – No Position
Mike Hnatiuk, Hamilton Northwestern Railroad Company – Oppose
Mike Hnatiuk, West Michigan Railroad Company – Oppose
Rusty Orben, CSX Transportation, Inc. – Oppose
Herbert Smith, Norfolk Southern RR – Oppose
Dave Worthams, Michigan Manufacturers Association – Oppose
The following cards were tuned in of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB
100:
Charles Hunter, Marquette RR and Michigan Shore RR – Oppose
The following cards were turned in of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding
SB 139:
Doug Needham, Michigan Aggregates Association – Oppose
Josh Fisher, Alliance for Automotive Innovation – Oppose
Brian Shoaf, Detroit Regional Chamber – Oppose
Paul Corbett, MICHauto – Oppose
Katie Gordon, Grand Rapids Chamber – Oppose
Michael Alaimo, Michigan Chamber of Commerce – Oppose
Jocelyn Hill, Conrail – Oppose
Stacey Lyons, CN – Oppose
Larry Lloyd, Canadian Pacific Railway – Oppose
Amy Drumm, Michigan Retailers Association – Oppose
Derek Dalling, Michigan Propane Gas Association – Oppose
The following cards were turned in of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding
SB 124, SB 125, SB 100, and 139:
Nathan Hatton, Railroad Employees – Support
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 5:25 p.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: April 25, 2023
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location: the Rooms 402/403, Capitol Building

evidence_text:
**DRAFT**
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
April 11, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on DHHS was scheduled for Tuesday, April 11, 2023, at
8:30 a.m., in the Rooms 402/403, Capitol Building.
The Chair called the meeting to order at 8:30 a.m.. She instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Santana, Sen.(s) McDonald Rivet, Cherry, Bayer, Outman, and
Huizenga, a quorum was present.
At 8:32 a.m., Sen. Mary Cavanagh entered the meeting. A quorum was now present.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding Child Welfare and Homelessness
Kellie Rutledge-Interim Executive Director, Heather Brown-Director of Program Operations and Services,
and Megh Hollowell-Development Associate, Ozone House
Meagan Dunn-Executive Director, Covenant House Michigan
Rev. Kevin Harris-Executive Director, Nazarene Community Housing
Demetrius Starling-Senior Deputy Director of the Children's Services Administration, and Paula Kaiser
Van Dam-Director of the Bureau of Community Services, Department of Health and Human Services
At 8:34 a.m., Sen. Lana Theis entered the meeting.
At 8:35 a.m., Sen. Darrin Camilleri entered the meeting.
At 8:41 a.m., Sen. Roger Hauck entered the meeting.
At 8:56 a.m., Sen.(s) Rick Outman, Mark Huizenga and Lana Theis left the meeting.
At 8:58 a.m., Sen. Darrin Camilleri left the meeting.
The Chair made a motion, supported by Sen. Cavanagh, to excuse absent members from the meeting. Without
objection, Sen. Irwin was excused from the meeting.
The Chair made a motion, supported by Sen. Bayer, to adopt the meeting minutes from March 22, 2023.
Without objection, the minutes were adopted.
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair made a motion, supported by Sen. McDonald
Rivet, to adjourn the committee at 9:46 a.m.Without objection, the committee was adjourned.
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evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON HIGHER EDUCATION
REP. CAROL GLANVILLE
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Wednesday, April 12, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 326, House Office Building
The House Committee on Higher Education was called to order by Chair Glanville.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Glanville, Rheingans, Koleszar, Scott, Byrnes, Hill, MacDonell, Paiz,
Paquette, Zorn, Bruck, DeSana.
Absent: Reps. Coffia, VanderWall.
Excused: Reps. Coffia, VanderWall.
Representatives Paquette and Bruck joined the committee remotely.
Representative Koleszar moved to adopt the meeting minutes from March 8, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid a presentation by Michigan Independent Colleges & Universities before the
committee.
Robert LeFevre, President, and Colby Spencer Cesaro, Vice President, from Michigan
Independent Colleges & Universities gave an overview presentation of their organization.
Questions and discussion followed.
Representative Byrnes moved to excuse Representatives Coffia and VanderWall from the
meeting. There being no objection the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Glanville adjourned the meeting
at 11:31 AM.
Representative Carol Glanville, Chair
Legan Rose
Committee Clerk
LRose@house.mi.gov
Date Adopted: May 17, 2023


evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY
REP. KELLY A BREEN
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Wednesday, April 12, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 521, House Office Building
The House Committee on Judiciary was called to order by Chair Breen.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Hoskins,
Tsernoglou, Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Edwards moved to adopt the meeting minutes from March 22, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4120, HB 4121, HB 4122, HB 4123, HB 4124 and HB 4125 before the
committee:
HB 4120
(Rep. Rogers)
A bill to amend 1975 PA 238, entitled "Child
protection law," (MCL 722.621 to 722.638) by
adding section 3b.
HB 4121
(Rep. Breen)
A bill to amend 1978 PA 368, entitled "Public
health code," by amending section 16221 (MCL
333.16221), as amended by 2020 PA 232.
HB 4122
(Rep. Hope)
A bill to amend 1978 PA 368, entitled "Public
health code," by amending section 16226 (MCL
333.16226), as amended by 2020 PA 233.
HB 4123
(Rep. Filler)
A bill to amend 1931 PA 328, entitled "The
Michigan penal code," by amending section 483a
(MCL 750.483a), as added by 2000 PA 451.
HB 4124
(Rep. Glanville)
A bill to amend 1931 PA 328, entitled "The
Michigan penal code," (MCL 750.1 to 750.568) by
adding section 478b.
HB 4125
(Rep. Rheingans)
A bill to amend 1976 PA 451, entitled "The
revised school code," (MCL 380.1 to 380.1852) by
adding section 1310e.
Representative Rogers and Representative Rheingans testified in support of HB 4120, HB
4121, HB 4122, HB 4123, HB 4124 and HB 4125. Questions and discussion followed.
Heath Lowry, representing the Michigan Coalition to End Domestic and Sexual Violence,
testified in support of HB 4120, HB 4121, HB 4122, HB 4123, HB 4124 and HB 4125.
Questions and discussion followed.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4120, HB 4121, HB 4122, HB 4123,
HB 4124 and HB 4125, but did not wish to speak:
Tom Hickson, representing the Michigan Catholic Conference.
Matt Black, representing the Michigan Academy of Family Physicians.
Stephanie Glidden, representing the Junior League of Michigan.
Yousef Rabhi, representing the Michigan Nurses Association.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4120, HB 4121, HB 4122 and HB
4123, but did not wish to speak:
Jess Averill, representing the Michigan Domestic and Sexual Violence Prevention and
Treatment Board.
The Chair laid HB 4145, HB 4146, HB 4147, HB 4148, SB 83, SB 84, SB 85 and SB 86
before the committee:
HB 4145
(Rep. Puri)
A bill to provide for the issuance of restraining
orders prohibiting certain individuals from
possessing or purchasing firearms and ordering
the surrender and seizure of a restrained
individual's firearms; to provide for the powers
and duties of certain state and local governmental
officers and entities; to prescribe penalties; and to
provide remedies.
HB 4146
(Rep. Breen)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 372, entitled "An act to
regulate and license the selling, purchasing,
possessing, and carrying of certain firearms, gas
ejecting devices, and electro-muscular disruption
devices; to prohibit the buying, selling, or carrying
of certain firearms, gas ejecting devices, and
electro-muscular disruption devices without a
license or other authorization; to provide for the
forfeiture of firearms and electro-muscular
disruption devices under certain circumstances; to
provide for penalties and remedies; to provide
immunity from civil liability under certain
circumstances; to prescribe the powers and duties
of certain state and local agencies; to prohibit
certain conduct against individuals who apply for
or receive a license to carry a concealed pistol; to
make appropriations; to prescribe certain
conditions for the appropriations; and to repeal all
acts and parts of acts inconsistent with this act,"
by amending sections 2, 2b, 5b, and 8 (MCL
28.422, 28.422b, 28.425b, and 28.428), section 2
as amended by 2015 PA 200, section 2b as
amended by 2014 PA 205, and sections 5b and 8
as amended by 2017 PA 95.
HB 4147
(Rep. Brixie)
A bill to amend 1961 PA 236, entitled "Revised
judicature act of 1961," by amending sections
1908, 2529, and 2559 (MCL 600.1908, 600.2529,
and 600.2559), section 2529 as amended by 2014
PA 532 and section 2559 as amended by 2018 PA
261.
HB 4148
(Rep. Young)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 175, entitled "The code
of criminal procedure," (MCL 760.1 to 777.69) by
adding section 15e to chapter XVII.
SB 83
(Sen. McMorrow)
A bill to provide for the issuance of restraining
orders prohibiting certain individuals from
possessing or purchasing firearms and ordering
the surrender and seizure of a restrained
individual's firearms; to provide for the powers
and duties of certain state and local governmental
officers and entities; to prescribe penalties; and to
provide remedies.
SB 84
(Sen. Polehanki)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 372, entitled "An act to
regulate and license the selling, purchasing,
possessing, and carrying of certain firearms, gas
ejecting devices, and electro-muscular disruption
devices; to prohibit the buying, selling, or carrying
of certain firearms, gas ejecting devices, and
electro-muscular disruption devices without a
license or other authorization; to provide for the
forfeiture of firearms and electro-muscular
disruption devices under certain circumstances; to
provide for penalties and remedies; to provide
immunity from civil liability under certain
circumstances; to prescribe the powers and duties
of certain state and local agencies; to prohibit
certain conduct against individuals who apply for
or receive a license to carry a concealed pistol; to
make appropriations; to prescribe certain
conditions for the appropriations; and to repeal all
acts and parts of acts inconsistent with this act,"
by amending sections 2, 2b, 5b, and 8 (MCL
28.422, 28.422b, 28.425b, and 28.428), section 2
as amended by 2015 PA 200, section 2b as
amended by 2014 PA 205, and sections 5b and 8
as amended by 2017 PA 95.
SB 85
(Sen. Anthony)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 175, entitled "The code
of criminal procedure," (MCL 760.1 to 777.69) by
adding section 15e to chapter XVII.
SB 86
(Sen. Singh)
A bill to amend 1961 PA 236, entitled "Revised
judicature act of 1961," by amending sections
1908, 2529, and 2559 (MCL 600.1908, 600.2529,
and 600.2559), section 2529 as amended by 2014
PA 532 and section 2559 as amended by 2018 PA
261.
Dan Pfannes, representing the Michigan Sheriffs' Association, testified in support of HB 4145
and SB 83.
Chair Breen, Representative Brixie and Mitch Albers, representing the Michigan Department
of Attorney General, testified in support of HB 4145, HB 4146, HB 4147, HB 4148, SB 83,
SB 84, SB 85 and SB 86. Questions and discussion followed.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4145, HB 4146, HB 4147, HB 4148,
SB 83, SB 84, SB 85 and SB 86, but did not wish to speak:
Dwayne Gill, GSCI, representing the Alliance for Gun Responsibility.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4145, HB 4146, HB 4147 and HB
4148, but did not wish to speak:
Matt Black, representing the Michigan Academy of Family Physicians.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4145 and HB 4148, but did not wish
to speak:
Kelly Sampson, representing Brady.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4145, but did not wish to speak:
Trooper Kristina Droste, representing the Michigan State Police.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4146, but did not wish to speak:
Mike Sauger, President, representing the Michigan Fraternal Order of Police.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4145, HB 4146, HB 4147, HB
4148, SB 83, SB 84, SB 85 and SB 86, but due to the time constraints were unable to speak:
Tom Lambert, representing the Michigan Open Carry.
Brendan Boudreau, representing the Great Lakes Gun Rights.
Representative Dievendorf moved to adopt substitute (H-5) to HB 4145. The motion
prevailed 7-2-4:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Hoskins, Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Wozniak, Johnsen.
Pass: Reps. Edwards, Fink, Wendzel, Outman.
Representative Hoskins moved to report out HB 4145 with recommendation, as substitute (H-
5). The motion prevailed 7-5-1:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Hoskins, Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Pass: Rep. Edwards.
Representative Tsernoglou moved to report out HB 4146 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 8-5-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Hoskins,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Pass: None.
Representative Edwards moved to report out HB 4147 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 8-5-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Hoskins,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Pass: None.
Representative Tyrone Carter moved to adopt substitute (H-2) to HB 4148. The motion
prevailed 8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Hoskins,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Representative Hope moved to report out HB 4148 with recommendation, as substitute (H-2).
The motion prevailed 8-5-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Hoskins,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Pass: None.
Representative Tsernoglou moved to adopt substitute (H-5) to SB 83. The motion prevailed 8-
5-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Hoskins,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Pass: None.
Representative Hoskins moved to report out SB 83 with recommendation, as substitute (H-5).
The motion prevailed 8-5-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Hoskins,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Pass: None.
Representative Dievendorf moved to report out SB 84 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 8-5-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Hoskins,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Pass: None.
Representative Arbit moved to adopt substitute (H-2) to SB 85. The motion prevailed 8-5-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Hoskins,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Pass: None.
Representative Hope moved to report out SB 85 with recommendation, as substitute (H-2).
The motion prevailed 8-5-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Hoskins,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Pass: None.
Representative Edwards moved to report out SB 86 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 8-5-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Hoskins,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Pass: None.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Breen adjourned the meeting at
11:47 AM.
Representative Kelly Breen, Chair
Melissa Sweet
Committee Clerk
msweet@house.mi.gov