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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS
REP. BRANDT IDEN
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, October 8, 2019
Room 352, House Appropriations, State Capitol
Building
The House Standing Committee on Ways and Means was called to order by Chair Iden.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Absent/Excused: None.
Representative Lilly moved to adopt the meeting minutes from October 3, 2019. There being no
objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
At 10:34 AM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 10:35 AM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
The Chair laid HB 4628 before the committee:
HB 4628
(Rep. Shannon) A bill to amend 1949 PA 300, entitled
"Michigan vehicle code, "by amending section 208 (MCL
257.208), as amended by 2006 PA 565.
Representative Lilly moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4628. The motion prevailed 10-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Warren moved to adopt substitute (H-3) to HB 4628. The motion prevailed 10-0-
0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Warren moved to report out HB 4628 with recommendation, as substitute (H-3).
The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 4540, HB 4541, HB 4542 and HB 4543 before the committee:
HB 4540
(Rep. Afendoulis)
A bill to amend 1933 PA 167,
entitled "General sales tax act,"(MCL 205.51 to 205.78) by
adding section 2d.
HB 4541
(Rep. Tate)
A bill to amend 1937 PA 94, entitled "Use
tax act,"(MCL 205.91 to 205.111) by adding section 5c.
HB 4542
(Rep. Webber) A bill to amend 1933 PA 167, entitled
"General sales tax act,"(MCL 205.51 to 205.78) by adding
section 2c.
HB 4543
(Rep. Yancey)
A bill to amend 1937 PA 94, entitled "Use
tax act,"(MCL 205.91 to 205.111) by adding section 5b.
Representative Lilly moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4540. The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly moved to report out HB 4540 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4541. The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly offered the following amendments to HB 4541 (H-1):
1. Amend page 3, line 27, after "(ii)" by striking out "or (iii):" and inserting a comma and
"(iii), or (iv):"
2. Amend page 4, following line 18, by inserting:
"(iv) A person is not a marketplace facilitator with respect to the sale of
telecommunications services as described in section 3a.".
Representative Lilly moved to adopt the amendments to HB 4541 (H-1). The motion prevailed
11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Warren moved to report House Bill No. 4541 as amended, as substitute (H-2).
The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4542. The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly offered the following amendment to HB 4542 (H-1):
1. Amend page 2, following line 16, by inserting:
"(6) Notwithstanding anything else in this section, a seller that makes no sales at retail
is not required to obtain a license under this act or file returns. A seller that makes both
sales at retail and sales for purposes of resale shall obtain a license under this act, file
required returns, and remit tax as required by this act." and renumbering the remaining
subsection.
Representative Lilly moved to adopt the amendments to HB 4542 (H-1). The motion prevailed
11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly moved to report House Bill No. 4542 as amended, as substitute (H-2). The
motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4543. The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly offered the following amendment to HB 4543 (H-1):
1. Amend page 2, following line 18, by inserting:
"(6) Notwithstanding anything else in this section, a seller that only makes sales for
purposes of resale is not required to register for the tax imposed by this act. A seller that
makes both sales that it is required to collect and remit tax on under this act and sales for
purposes of resale shall register under this act, file required returns, and remit tax as
required by this act." and renumbering the remaining subsection.
Representative Lilly moved to adopt the amendment to HB 4543 (H-1). The motion prevailed
11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Warren moved to report House Bill No. 4543 as amended, as substitute (H-2).
The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4540, HB 4541, HB 4542 and HB 4543,
but did not wish to speak:
Brandon Betz, representing the Michigan League for Public Policy.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4541, but did not wish to speak:
Connor Spalding, representing the Michigan Restaurants and Lodging Association.
The Chair laid HB 4959, HB 4960 and HB 4961 before the committee:
HB 4959
(Rep. Hauck)
A bill to amend 1998 PA 58, entitled
"Michigan liquor control code of 1998,"by amending section
601 (MCL 436.1601).
HB 4960
(Rep. Warren)
A bill to amend 1998 PA 58, entitled
"Michigan liquor control code of 1998,"by amending section
107 (MCL 436.1107), as amended by 2001 PA 223.
HB 4961
(Rep. Griffin)
A bill to amend 1998 PA 58, entitled
"Michigan liquor control code of 1998,"(MCL 436.1101 to
436.2303) by adding section 608.
Representative Hauck moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4959. The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly moved to report out HB 4959 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Warren moved to report out HB 4960 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Griffin moved to adopt substitute (H-3) to HB 4961. The motion prevailed 11-0-
0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Griffin moved to adopt substitute (H-4) to HB 4961. The motion prevailed 11-0-
0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Wentworth moved to report out HB 4961 with recommendation, as substitute (H-
4). The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Brett Visner, representing Michigan Beer and Wine Wholesalers Association, testified in support
of HB 4959, HB 4960 and HB 4961.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4960 and HB 4961, but did not wish
to speak:
Shelly Stahl, representing the Anheuser Busch.
Shelly Stahl, representing the Wine Institute.
The Chair laid HB 4516 and HB 4517 before the committee:
HB 4516
(Rep. LaFave)
A bill to amend 1976 PA 220, entitled
"Persons with disabilities civil rights act,"(MCL 37.1101 to
37.1607) by adding section 102a.
HB 4517
(Rep. VanWoerkom)
A bill to amend 1956 PA 62, entitled
"An act to authorize the director of the department of state
police to promulgate a uniform traffic code; to authorize a
city, township, or village to adopt the uniform traffic code by
reference without publication in full; and to prescribe
criminal penalties and civil sanctions for violation of the
code,"by amending section 1 (MCL 257.951), as amended by
2006 PA 297.
Representative Lilly moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4516. The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Kahle moved to report out HB 4516 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4517. The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly moved to report out HB 4517 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4516 and HB 4517, but did not wish to
speak:
Lee Gonzales, representing the Michigan Department of Civil Rights.
Sara Grivetti, representing the Disability Network Michigan.
At 10:49 AM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 10:50 AM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
The Chair laid HB 4325 before the committee:
HB 4325
(Rep. Miller)
A bill to amend 1978 PA 368, entitled
"Public health code, "by amending sections 18101, 18107,
18111, and 18115 (MCL 333.18101, 333.18107, 333.18111,
and 333.18115), sections 18101 and 18111 as added by 1988
PA 421, section 18107 as amended by 1989 PA 262, and
section 18115 as amended by 2006 PA 429, and by adding
sections 18106 and 18116.
Representative Lilly moved to adopt substitute (H-3) to HB 4325. The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly moved to adopt substitute (H-7) to HB 4325. The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly moved to report out HB 4325 with recommendation, as substitute (H-7).
The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The following people submitted a card with a neutral position on HB 4325, but did not wish to
speak:
Christin Nohner, representing the Michigan State Medical Society.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4325, but did not wish to speak:
Amber Somerville, representing Michigan Citizens.
Kathryn Hoover, representing the WCA.
Tamara Parsons, representing LPC's.
April David LPC, CAADC and Shanda Berdan LPC, representing the Mid-Michigan Health
Services.
Stephanie Ash, representing the Michigan Mental Health Counselors Association.
Jason Ash, representing Access to Mental Health.
Anna Van Wyck, representing Play it by Heart Counseling.
Christine Lyon, representing the LPC's of Michigan.
Caroline Hall, LPC.
Wendy R. Szczepanski, LPC.
Laura Hinkley, representing herself.
Rebecca Jones-Henry MA, LPC, OIDP, IMH.
Greg Dudzinski, LPC.
Maria Enriquez, representing the UAW Local 6000.
Anna Klein BSN, RN, representing LPC's.
Thomas Klein LPC, NCC, representing Great Lakes Psych.
Katherine Christensen, representing LPC's.
Mesha Schultz LPC. NCC, representing Private Practice.
Emily Gould Hysell, Student in Mental Health Counseling.
Cameron Hysell, representing Ally.
Lyanna Leibert, LPC.
Todd Leibert, representing the Department of Counseling, Oakland University.
Ann Maneshay MA, LPC, NCC.
Hunter Shay, LPC.
Tim Greimel, representing AFSCME Council 25.
Fatin Dubaybo, representing LPC's and Counseling Students.
Roberto Overton LPC, NCC, representing Intercare Community Health.
Danie Duron LPC, representing LPC's and Mental Health.
Brooke Aggeler MSC, LPC, representing LPC's and Mental Health.
Raeleen Davis LPC, representing Defining You Counseling.
Lyndsay Nuyen LMSW, representing LPC's.
Colin Mandigo, representing LPC's.
Autumn Bell LPC, representing the Michigan Mental Health Counselors Association.
Leia Hawver, representing LPC's.
Shaaree Presley, representing Faith Soars Counseling.
Andrea Abke MA, LLPC, representing LPC's.
Dawn Streeter, representing LLPC's and Concerned Residents.
Shannon Smith, representing LPC's.
Elizabeth Hawver LMSW, CAADC, representing LPC's.
Kathy Hagenian, representing the Michigan Coalition to End Domestic and Sexual Violence.
Jean Doss, representing the Michigan School Counselors Association.
Rebecca Fitton, representing herself.
Damaris Garcia, representing himself.
Christopher Yoo, representing himself.
Kevin Yoo, representing himself.
Anne M Parpas, representing LPC's.
Andrea Logan, representing LLPC's.
Antoinette Mallett LPC, representing the Fountain of Wisdom and Hope LLC.
Lauren Toma, representing LPC's and LLPC's.
Melissa Fuller, representing Bronson Healthcare Group.
Becky Callenter, representing Jackson LPC's.
Carolynn Dougherty MA, LPC, representing herself.
Marina Wyrzykowski, representing the Michigan Department of Health and Human
Services.
Mark Phelps, representing the Samaritan Counseling Center.
Michele Figuereo, representing herself.
Scott VanDyke, representing himself.
Bridgett Nash, representing LPC's.
Adam Nash, representing LPC's.
June Castonguay, representing Spring Forest Counseling.
Cindy Goldman, representing Michigan Mental Health Counselors Association.
Angela Landrum LPC, representing A Brighter Tomorrow Counseling.
Amy Willis, representing herself.
Joe Buysse, representing himself.
Jennifer L. Buysse, representing Mental Health-LPC's.
Mary Rottier, representing the Pawsitive Counseling Center.
Beth Cherin, representing herself.
Salena Phillips Baker, representing Healthy Mind Counselors.
Olivia Dorgan, representing the Pawsitive Counseling Center.
Tonya Davis, representing Healthy Mind Counseling.
Halene Waytes, representing LPC's.
Roman Grant PA-C, representing LPC's.
Josh Smith, representing LPC's.
Katie Sullivan, representing LPC's of Jackson, MI.
Chandra Novak, representing LPC's!
Steven Sulfaro, representing himself.
Bethany Hutchison, representing LPC's.
Deborah Czechowicz MA, LPC, ATR.
Wendy Levine MA, LLPC.
Kelly Maveal, representing LPC's.
Jessica Foksz, representing LPC's.
Terra Chall LPC, representing Professional Counselors and Clients.
Laura Sulfaro, representing the Washtenaw Community Mental Health and LPC's.
Denise Wayters, representing LPC's.
Susan Stendel, representing the DHD #10.
Sue Ellen Pabst, representing herself.
Amanda Estill, representing Transitions Counseling.
Carol Miller LPC, APT, representing the Mid-Michigan Health Park.
Gillian Ogilvie, representing LPC's.
Michael Joy, representing the Michigan Counseling Association.
Sebi Fishtia, representing himself.
brian Highstreet, representing Holland Township.
Carol Berger, representing the Michigan Mental Health Counselors Association.
Victoria Naert MA, LPC, representing Counselors.
Helga Uuksan, representing herself.
Lara Schaible MA, LPC, representing LPC's.
Karen Oberhill LPC, NCC, representing herself.
Kristina Raleigh LPC, representing LPC's.
Andrea Harris, representing herself.
Kelly Henson, representing herself.
Jeanine Madsen, representing herself.
Eric Moor, representing himself.
Heather Cook, representing herself.
Robin Rudnick, representing Reclaiming Futures Counseling.
Lisa Hawley, representing Mental Health Counseling Access.
Danyelle Dobbins LPC, representing the Michigan Department of Corrections.
Andrea Reini, representing herself.
Brenda Mather MA, LLPC, representing Cross Road Counseling Services.
Cheryl Biddinger MS, LPC, representing the At A Cross Road Counseling, PLLC.
Rebecca Vannest PhD, LPC, representing the Michigan Mental Health Counselors
Association.
Mary Beth Meinke MA, representing LLPC's.
Karen Anthony MA, LPC, IECM, representing herself.
LaNeisha J. Murphy LPC, NCC, ACS, representing herself.
Nasreen Paytas MA, LPC, representing Stillwater Professional Counseling.
Melissa Satti, representing the Ann Arbor Counseling Associates.
Dr. Sara Sue Schaeffer, representing The Mentoring Institute.
Christina Felcyn, representing the All Things Possible Wellness Center.
Laura Ecker MA, LPC, representing the Harbor Hospice.
Elizabeth Bolthouse MA, LPC, representing the Harbor Hospice.
Shelly Wiewiora LPC, representing Muskegon Family Counseling.
Heather Notter, representing LPC's.
Lynn Leinhos, representing herself.
Shawn Bultsma, representing himself.
Stephanie Burns PhD, LPC, NCC, representing Western Michigan University.
Daniel Cruitshanks PhD, representing Aquinas College.
Cherie LaLone, representing Community Mental Health.
Paula Copeland LPC, representing Ascension Borgess Hospital.
Teresa Kiser MS, LPC, NCC, representing The Right Door for Hope Recovery and Wellness.
Dr. Donald Amidon, representing Integrated Counseling Connections.
Kelly Ram LLC, LPC, representing Kelly Ram, LLC.
Heather Letton, representing herself.
Dr. Thomas Michalos, representing Wayne State University.
Stephanie Kastely, representing Wayne State University.
Vicki Palmer, representing the Collage Counseling Center.
Teresa Traverso, representing LPC's.
Christina Shoemaker, representing LPC's.
Christine and Bradley Przystas, representing LPC's.
Megan Mclean MA, LPC, UMFT, representing Meaningful Connections Counseling.
Suzanne Meinke MA, LPC, LMFT, CAADE, NCC, representing Meaningful Connections
Counseling.
Diana Charnley, representing herself.
Angela Mott, LPC Intern at Meaningful Connections.
Pam Myslivec, representing herself.
Caleb Noble LPC, NCC, representing the Counseling Center of West Michigan.
Erika VonPoppel, representing LPC's.
Erika Alexander, representing LPC's everywhere in Michigan.
Lydia Gonzales Haddad, representing LPC's.
Rebecca L Verkest, representing LPC's.
Carol Tillotson, representing herself.
Laurie Church, representing LPC's for HB 4325.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4325, but did not wish to speak:
Justin Fisher, representing the Michigan Psychiatric Society.
There being no further business before the committee, Rep. Brandt Iden adjourned the meeting at
10:58 AM.
Representative Brandt Iden, Chair
Edward Sleeper
Committee Clerk
esleeper@house.mi.gov


meeting_state: held

evidence_text:
MEMBERS:
SEN. LANA THEIS, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. RUTH A. JOHNSON
SEN. DAN LAUWERS
SEN. CURTIS S. VANDERWALL
SEN. DALE W. ZORN
SEN. JEREMY MOSS, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. DAYNA POLEHANKI
SEN. PAUL WOJNO
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON REGULATORY REFORM
SENATOR ARIC NESBITT
CHAIR
6100 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-0793
FAX: (517) 373-5607
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
October 8, 2019
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Regulatory Reform was scheduled for Tuesday, October 8, 2019, at 3:00
p.m., in the 1200 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Testimony regarding SB 543 (Sen. VanderWall)
2. Testimony regarding SB 434 (Sen. Nesbitt)
The Chair called the meeting to order at 3:02 p.m. He instructed the clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Nesbitt, Sen.(s) Theis, Johnson, Lauwers, VanderWall, Zorn, Polehanki
and Wojno, a quorum was present.
The Chair made a motion to excuse absent members from the meeting. Without objection, Sen. Moss was
excused from the meeting.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Lauwers to adopt the meeting minutes from June 18, 2019. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 543:
Sen. Curtis VanderWall, Michigan Senate – Support
Tom Stein, CLEAR – Support
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 543:
Scott Ellis, MLBA – Support
Kerry Krone, Michigan Liquor Control Commission – No Position
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 434:
Sen. Aric Nesbitt, Michigan Senate – Support
Allison Bell and Lynly Williams – Support
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 3:42 p.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: October 15, 2019
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location: Room 1100, Binsfeld Office Building

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The Subcommittee on Justice and Public Safety submitted the following:

Joint

meeting held on Tuesday, October 8, 2019, at 2:00 p.m., Room 1100, Binsfeld Office Building

Present: Senators Barrett (C), Runestad and Hollier


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MEMBERS:
SEN. PETER J. LUCIDO, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. LANA THEIS
SEN. MICHAEL D. MACDONALD
SEN. JEFF IRWIN, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT
SENATOR ED MCBROOM
CHAIR
7200 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7840
FAX: (517) 373-3932
JOINT COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
October 8, 2019
A joint meeting of the Senate Committee on Oversight with the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on
Justice and Public Safety was scheduled for Tuesday, October 8, 2019, at 2:00 p.m., in the 1100 room of the
Binsfeld Office Building.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Continued discussion on health and safety issues of Michigan Correctional Officers and the
Michigan Department of Corrections Wellness Unit.
_______________________________________________________________________________________
Chair McBroom called the Senate meeting to order at 2:02 p.m. He instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At
that time, the following members were present: Chair McBroom, Sen.(s) Lucido, Theis, MacDonald and
Irwin, a quorum was present.
Chair McBroom invited the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Justice and Public Safety to call roll. A
quorum was present.
Chair McBroom invited the committees to recite the Pledge of Alliance.
Chair McBroom entertained a motion by Sen. Theis to adopt the meeting minutes from June 18, 2019.
Without objection, the minutes were adopted.
Chair McBroom introduced Lynn Gorski, Program Manager of the Michigan Department of Corrections
Wellness Unit, and Kyle Kaminsk, Michigan Department of Corrections Legislative Liaison. Ms. Gorski
was invited to brief the committees on the Wellness Unit.
Ms. Gorski discussed the creation of the Wellness Unit, the peer support program, employee
communications, the hiring of new program coordinators, new program developments and the results of the
Desert Waters Correctional Outreach final report: Descriptive Study of Michigan Department of Corrections
Staff Well-being: Contributing Factors, Outcomes, and Actionable Solutions.
Questions followed from members of both committees.
Chair McBroom and other committee members requested information unavailable at committee time. The
Department of Corrections representatives will compile the information and forward it to the Chair for
distribution to the committees.
Being no further business before the committees, Chairman McBroom entertained a motion by Sen. Lucido
to adjourn the Senate meeting. Without objection, the committee was adjourned at 3:32 p.m.
The Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Justice and Public Safety adjourned at 3:33 p.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: 10/15/2019.


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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON COMMERCE AND TOURISM
REP. STEVE MARINO
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, October 10, 2019
9:00 a.m.
Room 327, House Office Building
The House Standing Committee on Commerce and Tourism was called to order by the Chair.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Marino, Wendzel, Reilly, Meerman, Schroeder, Wakeman, Cambensy,
Camilleri, Hope, Manoogian, Robinson.
Absent/Excused: None.
Representative Schroeder moved to adopt the meeting minutes from October 3, 2019. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
At 9:02 a.m., the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 9:06 a.m., the Chair called the committee back to order.
The Chair laid SB 0319 before the committee:
SB 319
(Sen. Moss)
A bill to amend 1992 PA 147, entitled
“Neighborhood enterprise zone act,” by amending sections 2,
7, and 10 (MCL 207.772, 207.777, and 207.780), section 2
as amended by 2010 PA 9, section 7 as amended by 2008 PA
284, and section 10 as amended by 2005 PA 339, and by
adding section 2a.
Senator Jeremy Moss, the bill sponsor, explained SB 319 and introduced Jacob Thurston, Deputy
City Assessor for the City of Southfield, who testified in support of SB 319. Questions followed.
Paul G. Connors, Legislative Liaison for the Michigan Department of Treasury, stated the
department is neutral on SB 319. Questions followed.
The following individuals submitted a testimony card in support of SB 319, but did not wish to
speak:
Manny Lentine, representing the Michigan Assessors Association;
Jen Rigterink, Legislative Associate in the State and Federal Affairs Office of the
Michigan Municipal League; and
Judy Allen, Director of the Michigan Townships Association.
At 9:20 a.m., the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 9:25 a.m., the Chair called the committee back to order.
The Chair laid HR 160 before the committee:
HR 160
(Rep. Cambensy)
A resolution to urge Congress and
the President to support federal funding for ports, harbors,
and critical marine infrastructure in the Great Lakes region
including the Soo Locks reconstruction project.
Representative Sarah Cambensy, the resolution sponsor, explained HR 160. Questions followed.
A copy of her handouts are attached.
The following individuals submitted a testimony card in support of the resolution, but did not
wish to speak:
Bret Marr, a lobbyist for Muchmore, Harrington and Smalley, representing the Michigan
Boating Industries Association;
Kent Wood, Director of Government Relations for the Northern Michigan Chamber
Alliance;
Brad Williams, Vice-President of Government Relations for the Detroit Regional
Chamber;
James H. I. Weakley, President of the Lake Carriers' Association; and
Delaney McKinley, senior Director of Government Affairs for the Michigan
Manufacturers Association.
Representative Camilleri moved to report out HR 160 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 11-0-0.
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Marino, Wendzel, Reilly, Meerman, Schroeder, Wakeman, Cambensy, Camilleri,
Hope, Manoogian, Robinson.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
There being no further business before the committee, Representative Wakeman moved to
adjourn the Committee without objection. The Chair adjourned the meeting at 9:39 a.m.
Representative Steve Marino, Chair
Joy Brewer
Committee Clerk
joybrewer@house.mi.gov


location: Room 519, House Office Building

evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON HEALTH POLICY
REP. HANK VAUPEL
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, October 10, 2019
10:30 AM
Room 519, House Office Building
The House Standing Committee on Health Policy was called to order by Chair Vaupel.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Vaupel, Frederick, Alexander, Calley, Hornberger, Lower, Whiteford,
Afendoulis, Filler, Mueller, Wozniak, Liberati, Clemente, Ellison, Koleszar, Pohutsky, Stone,
Witwer.
Absent/Excused: Rep. Garrett.
Representative Frederick moved to adopt the meeting minutes from October 3, 2019. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
Representative Liberati moved to excuse Representative Garrett from the meeting. There being
no objection the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4958 before the committee:
HB 4958
(Rep. Hornberger)
A bill to amend 1978 PA 368,
entitled “Public health code,"(MCL 333.1101 to 333.25211)
by adding section 16279.
Representative Hornberger testified in support of HB 4958.
The following person submitted a card with a neutral position on HB 4958, but did not wish to
speak:
Ryan Burtka, representing the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4958, but did not wish to speak:
Jean Doss, representing the Michigan Coalition to End Domestic and Sexual Violence.
Sean Sorenson - Abbott, representing the Michigan Health and Hospital Association.
The Chair laid HB 4862 before the committee:
HB 4862
(Rep. Wozniak) A bill to amend 1978 PA 368, entitled
“Public health code,” by amending section 20981 (MCL
333.20981), as added by 2016 PA 40.
Representative Wozniak testified in support of HB 4862 (H-1).
Representative Wozniak moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4862. The motion prevailed 18-
0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Vaupel, Frederick, Alexander, Calley, Hornberger, Lower, Whiteford,
Afendoulis, Filler, Mueller, Wozniak, Liberati, Clemente, Ellison, Koleszar, Pohutsky, Stone,
Witwer.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4862 (H-1), but did not wish to speak:
Heather Nicholoft, representing the Michigan Council of Nurse Practitioners.
Emily Schwarzkopp, representing the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services.
Autumn Gillard, representing Trinity Health.
American Nurses Association of Michigan, representing the Executive Director - Tobi
Moore.
Representative Wozniak moved to refer House Bill No. 4862 to the committee on Ways and
Means, with recommendation as substitute (H-1). The motion prevailed 18-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Vaupel, Frederick, Alexander, Calley, Hornberger, Lower, Whiteford,
Afendoulis, Filler, Mueller, Wozniak, Liberati, Clemente, Ellison, Koleszar, Pohutsky, Stone,
Witwer.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 5043 and HB 5044 before the committee:
HB 5043
(Rep. Vaupel)
A bill to amend 1974 PA 258, entitled
“Mental health code,” by amending sections 100b and 772
(MCL 330.1100b and 330.1772), section 100b as amended
by 2014 PA 200 and section 772 as added by 1995 PA 290,
and by adding section 206a; and to repeal acts and parts of
acts.
HB 5044
(Rep. Garrett)
A bill to amend 1994 PA 203, entitled
“Foster care and adoption services act,” by amending section
4c (MCL 722.954c), as amended by 2014 PA 337.
At 10:40 AM, Chair Vaupel laid the committee at ease.
At 10:42 AM, the Majority Vice Chair Ben Frederick called the committee back to order.
Representative Vaupel testified in support of HB 5043.
Maerianne Huff representing Mental Health Association, testified in support of HB 5043.
David Gruber representing Round Table Strategies, testified in support of HB 5043.
At 10:45 AM, the Majority Vice Chair Frederick laid the committee at ease.
At 10:47 AM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 5043, but did not wish to speak:
Algeria Wilson, representing the National Association of Social Workers in Michigan.
Sherri Boyd, representing the Arc of Michigan.
Justin Fischer, representing the Michigan Psychiatric Society.
Kathleen Johnson - Calalti, representing the Michigan Disability Rights.
Brianna Romenes, representing the Epilepsy Foundation.
Bonnie Gonzales, representing the Michigan Developmental Disabilities Council.
Alan Bouer, representing the Community Mental Health of Michigan.
There being no further business before the committee, Rep. Hank Vaupel adjourned the meeting
at 11:01 AM.
Representative Hank Vaupel, Chair
Sondra Gordon
Committee Clerk
sgordon@house.mi.gov


location: Room 326, House Office Building

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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT
REP. MATT HALL
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, October 10, 2019
10:30 AM
Room 326, House Office Building
The House Standing Committee on Oversight was called to order by Chair Hall.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Hall, Reilly, Webber, Steven Johnson, LaFave, Schroeder, Cynthia Johnson,
Camilleri, LaGrand.
Absent/Excused: None.
Representative Steven Johnson moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 12, 2019.
There being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
Chair Hall laid before the committee the following:
Office of the Auditor General Performance Audit Report Michigan Cyber Civil Corps, Michigan
Department of Technology, Management, and Budget September 2019 #071-0519-19
Presentation by the Office of the Auditor General
Shelly Fanson and Keith Edwards representing the Office of the Auditor General, testified
regarding the audit report. Questions and discussion followed.
Chair Hall laid before the committee the following:
Presentation by the Department of Technology, Management, and Budget
Chris DeRusha, Chief Security Officer, and Bree Anderson representing the Department of
Management and Budget presented to the committee regarding the audit. Questions and
discussion followed.
There being no further business before the committee, Rep. Matt Hall adjourned the meeting at
11:34 AM.
Representative Matt Hall, Chair
Taylor Thrush
Committee Clerk
tthrush@house.mi.gov


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MEMBERS:
SEN. CURTIS S. VANDERWALL, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. TOM BARRETT
SEN. RUTH A. JOHNSON
SEN. JIM RUNESTAD
SEN. STEPHANIE CHANG, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. JEFF IRWIN
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY AND PUBLIC
SAFETY
SENATOR PETER J. LUCIDO
CHAIR
3100 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7670
FAX: (517) 373-5958
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
October 10, 2019
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Judiciary and Public Safety was scheduled for Thursday, October 10,
2019, at 8:00 a.m., in the 1100 Room of the Binsfeld Building.
_______________________________________________________________________________________
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Reported HB 4133 (S-1) (Rep. Hauck) with recommendation and immediate effect.
2. Reported HB 4134 (Rep. Wozniak) with recommendation and immediate effect.
3. Reported HB 4135 (Rep. Calley) with recommendation and immediate effect.
4. Reported HB 4136 (Rep. Berman) with recommendation and immediate effect.
5. Reported HB 4137 (Rep. Webber) with recommendation and immediate effect.
6. Reported HB 4138 (Rep. Rendon) with recommendation and immediate effect.
7. Reported HB 4139 (Rep. LaGrand) with recommendation and immediate effect.
8. Reported HB 4140 (S-1) (Rep. Guerra) with recommendation and immediate effect.
9. Reported HB 4141 (Rep. Neeley) with recommendation and immediate effect.
10. Reported HB 4142 (Rep. Elder) with recommendation and immediate effect.
11. Reported HB 4143 (Rep. Love) with recommendation and immediate effect.
12. Reported HB 4144 (Rep. Brann) (S-1) with recommendation and immediate effect.
13. Reported HB 4145 (Rep. Filler) with recommendation and immediate effect.
14. Reported HB 4146 (Rep. Whiteford) with recommendation and immediate effect.
15. Reported HB 4443 (Rep. Hoitenga) with recommendation and immediate effect.
16. Reported HB 4452 (Rep. Garrett) with recommendation and immedieate effect.
17. Reported SB 276 (S-1) (Sen. Barrett) with recommendation and immediate effect.
18. Reported SB 277 (S-1) (Sen. Chang) with recommendation and immediate effect.
19. Presentation by the Michigan State Police on the Impaired Driving Safety Commission report.
_______________________________________________________________________________________
The Chairman called the meeting to order at 8:05 a.m. He instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time,
the following members were present: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and
Irwin, a quorum was present.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. VanderWall to adopt the meeting minutes from October 3, 2019.
Without objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chairman recessed the committee from 8:13 a.m. to 8:14 a.m.
The Chairman invited Nick Capone of Rep. Graham Filler to summarize the house Raise the Age package of
bills.
The cards were read of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding HB 4133-HB
4146, HB 4443 and HB 4452:
David Kenzek, the Office of Attorney General Dana Nessel – Support
Jason Smith, Michigan Council on crime and Delinquency – Support
Meghann Keit, Michigan Association of Counties – Support
Alex Rossman, Michigan League for Public Policy – Support
Jared Burkhart, Michigan Chapter American Academy of Pediatrics – Support
Brandon Lanyon, Prosecuting Attorneys Association of Michigan – Support
Josh Hoe, Safe and Just Michigan – Support
Sandi Metclaf, Michigan Association of Family Court Administration – Support
Carla Grezeszak, Northern Michigan Juvenile Officers Association – Support
Renee Edmonson, School Community Health Alliance – Support
Kimberly Buddin, American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan - Support
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. VanderWall to adopt the (S-1) version of HB 4133. The vote
was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the (S-1) was adopted.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. VanderWall to report HB 4133 (S-1) to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4133 (S-1). Without objection, immediate effect
was recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Barrett to report HB 4134 to the floor with recommendation that
it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4134. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Johnson to report HB 4135 to the floor with recommendation
that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4135. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. VanderWall to report HB 4136 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4136. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. VanderWall to report HB 4137 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4137. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Barrett to report HB 4138 to the floor with recommendation that
it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4138. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Chang to report HB 4139 to the floor with recommendation that
it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4139. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Chang to adopt the (S-1) version of HB 4140. The vote was as
follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the (S-1) was adopted.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Irwin to report HB 4140 (S-1) to the floor with recommendation
that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4140 (S-1). Without objection, immediate effect
was recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Irwin to report HB 4141 to the floor with recommendation that
it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4141. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Chang to report HB 4142 to the floor with recommendation that
it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4142. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Irwin to report HB 4143 to the floor with recommendation that
it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4143. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. VanderWall to adopt the (S-1) version of HB 4144. The vote
was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the (S-1) was adopted.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Barrett to report HB 4144 (S-1) to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4144 (S-1). Without objection, immediate effect
was recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. VanderWall to report HB 4145 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4145. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Barrett to report HB 4146 to the floor with recommendation that
it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4146. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. VanderWall to report HB 4443 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4443. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Irwin to report HB 4452 to the floor with recommendation that
it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4452. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman brought up the (S-1) version of SB 276 which was adopted during the September 12, 2019
committee hearing; and the (S-1) version of SB 277 which was adopted during the October 3, 2019
committee hearing.
The cards were read of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 276 and
SB 277:
David Knezek, The Office of Attorney General Dana Nessel – Support
Margo Bruner, Perpetual Harvest Sustainable Solutions – Support
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Barrett to report SB 276 (S-1) to the floor with recommendation
that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
Pass: Sen. Johnson
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for SB 276 (S-1). Without objection, immediate effect
was recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Barrett to report SB 277 (S-1) to the floor with recommendation
that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
Pass: Sen. Johnson
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for SB 277 (S-1). Without objection, immediate effect
was recommended.
The Chairman recessed the committee from 8:37 a.m. to 8:38 a.m.
The Chairman invited Lt. Colonel Arnold, of the Michigan State Police, Mr. Nicholas J. Fillinger, a forensic
toxicologist, and Dr. Norbert E. Kaminski, a professor of pharmacology and toxicology whose expertise is in
the area of cannabis pharmacology and toxicology to give a presentation on the Report from the Impaired
Driving Safety Commission.
At 8:45 a.m., Sen. Runestad entered the meeting.
The Chairman invited Bridget Lemberg from Forensic Fluid Laboratories to give testimony regarding fluid
sampling and testing.
There being no further business before the committee, the Chairman moved to adjourn the meeting. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 9:43 a.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: 10.24.2019


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MEMBERS:
SEN. JOHN BIZON, M.D., MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. RUTH A. JOHNSON
SEN. KIMBERLY A. LASATA
SEN. MICHAEL D. MACDONALD
SEN. LANA THEIS
SEN. WINNIE BRINKS, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. CURTIS HERTEL, JR.
SEN. SYLVIA SANTANA
SEN. PAUL WOJNO
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON HEALTH POLICY AND
HUMAN SERVICES
SENATOR CURTIS S. VANDERWALL
CHAIR
4500 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-1725
FAX: (517) 373-0741
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
October 10, 2019
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Health Policy and Human Services was scheduled for Thursday, October
10, 2019, at 1:00 p.m., in the 1100 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Reported SB 170 (Sen. McBroom) with recommendation and immediate effect.
2. Testimony regarding HB 4710 (Rep. Kahle).
The Chair called the meeting to order at 1:03 p.m. He instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair VanderWall, Sen.(s) Bizon, Johnson, LaSata, MacDonald, Theis,
Brinks, Hertel, Santana, and Wojno, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Bizon to adopt the meeting minutes from October 3, 2019. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Bizon to report SB 170 to the floor with recommendation that it pass.
The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair VanderWall, Sen.(s) Bizon, Johnson, LaSata, MacDonald, Theis, Brinks, Hertel, Santana,
Wojno
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair made a motion to recommend immediate effect for SB 170. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chair invited Tara Rodriguez, of Rep. Kahle's office, to summarize HB 4710.
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The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding HB 4710:
Henry Buchtel, Michigan Association of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine – Support
Sarah Schwartz, Citizen – Support
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding HB 4710:
Kristin Whitfield, Michigan Association of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine – Support
Gigi Cristache, Michigan Association of Acupuncture – Support
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 1:24 p.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: October 16, 2019
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MEMBERS:
SEN. CURTIS S. VANDERWALL, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. PETER MACGREGOR
SEN. LANA THEIS
SEN. DAN LAUWERS
SEN. WAYNE A. SCHMIDT
SEN. MALLORY MCMORROW, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. ERIKA GEISS
SEN. JEREMY MOSS
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON ECONOMIC AND SMALL
BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT
SENATOR KEN HORN
CHAIR
7100 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-1760
FAX: (517) 373-3487
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
October 10, 2019
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Economic and Small Business Development was scheduled for
Thursday, October 10, 2019, at 12:00 noon, in the 1200 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Reported SB 432 (Sen. Horn) with recommendation and immediate effect.
2. Testimony regarding SB 384 (Sen. Geiss)
3. Testimony regarding SB 385 (Sen. Barrett).
The Chair called the meeting to order at 12:02 p.m. He instructed the clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Horn, Sen.(s) VanderWall, MacGregor, Theis, Lauwers, Schmidt,
McMorrow, Geiss and Moss, a quorum was present.
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 432:
Judy Allen, Michigan Township Association – Oppose
Jen Rigterink, MML – Oppose
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Schmidt to report SB 432 to the floor with recommendation that it
pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Horn, Sen.(s) VanderWall, MacGregor, Theis, Lauwers, Schmidt.
Nays: Sen. McMorrow.
Pass: Sen.(s) Geiss, Moss.
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair made a motion to recommend immediate effect for SB 432. Without objection, immediate effect
was recommended.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 384 and SB 385:
Kevin Callahan, Stub Hub – Support
Chris VanDehoef, Fan Freedom – Support
Michael O'Neill, Vivid Seats – Support
Carl Szabo, Net Choice – Support
Dusty Brighton, Live Nation – Oppose
Bruce Morris, Ticket Network, Inc – Neutral
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 384
and SB 385:
Sen. Ed McBroom, Michigan Senate – Support
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Jarrod Bradford, MSU Wharton Center – Oppose
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 1:00 p.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: October 17, 2019
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location: the 1200 Room of the Binsfeld Building

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MEMBERS:
SEN. RUTH JOHNSON, VICE CHAIR
SEN. KEVIN DALEY
SEN. BETTY JEAN ALEXANDER, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. JEREMY MOSS
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON LOCAL GOVERNMENT
SENATOR DALE ZORN
CHAIR
5100 BINSFELD BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-3543
FAX: (517) 373-0927
**DRAFT**
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
October 10, 2019
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Local Government was scheduled for Thursday, October 10, 2019, at
1:30 p.m., in the 1200 Room of the Binsfeld Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Reported HB 4209 (Rep. Slagh) with recommendation and immediate effect.
2. Reported HB 4408 (S-1) (Rep. Miller) with recommendation and immediate effect.
__________________________________________________________________________________________
The Chairman called the meeting to order at 1:31 p.m. He instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chairman Zorn, Sen.(s) Johnson, Daley, Alexander, and Moss; a quorum was
present.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Moss to adopt the meeting minutes from October 3, 2019. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chairman invited Eric Dean, of Rep. Slagh's office, and a special guest constituent, to summarize HB 4209.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Daley to report HB 4209 to the floor with recommendation that is
pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Zorn, Sen.(s) Johnson, Daley, Alexander, and Moss
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved to recommend immediate effect for HB 4209. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman brought up the (S-1) version of HB 4408 which was adopted during the October 3, 2019
committee hearing.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Johnson to report HB 4408 (S-1) to the floor with recommendation
that is pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Zorn, Sen.(s) Johnson, Daley, Alexander, and Moss
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved to recommend immediate effect for HB 4408 (S-1). Without objection, immediate effect
was recommended.
There being no further business before the committee, the Chairman moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 1:37 p.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: 10/31/19


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MEMBERS:
SEN. KIMBERLY A. LASATA, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. ARIC NESBITT
SEN. ED MCBROOM
SEN. CURTIS HERTEL, JR., MINORITY VICE CHAIR
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON ADVICE AND CONSENT
SENATOR PETER J. LUCIDO
CHAIR
3100 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7670
FAX: (517) 373-5958
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
October 10, 2019
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Advice and Consent was scheduled for Thursday, October 10, 2019
at 11:30 a.m., in the 1300 Room of the Binsfeld Building.
_______________________________________________________________________________________
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. A hearing to consider the appointment of Ms. Geralyn A. Lasher to the Michigan Liquor Control
Commission.
2. A hearing to consider the appointment of Mr. Patrick M. Gagliardi to the Michigan Liquor
Control Commission.
_______________________________________________________________________________________
The Chairman called the meeting to order at 11:37 a.m. He instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time,
the following members were present: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) LaSata, Nesbitt, McBroom and Hertel, a
quorum was present.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. LaSata to adopt the meeting minutes from the September 26,
2019 meeting. Without objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chairman invited the Ms. Geralyn A. Lasher to provide the committee with her opening statements.
The Chairman invited committee members to ask questions of Ms. Lasher regarding her appointment to the
Michigan Liquor Control Commission.
The following cards were read of those individuals not wishing to present testimony before the committee
regarding the appointment of Ms. Geralyn A. Lasher to the Michigan Liquor Control Commission:
Brendan Ringlever, Michigan Spirits Association – Support
Spencer Nevins, Michigan Beer and Wine Wholesalers Association – Support
Charlene Brandt, 7-Eleven Incorporated – Support
Auday Arabo, Midwest Independent Retailers Association - Support
The Chairman invited the Mr. Patrick M Gagliardi to provide the committee with his opening statements.
The Chairman invited committee members to ask questions of Mr. Gagliardi regarding his appointment to
the Michigan Liquor Control Commission.
The following cards were read of those individuals not wishing to present testimony before the committee
regarding the appointment of Ms. Geralyn A. Lasher to the Michigan Liquor Control Commission:
Brendan Ringlever, Michigan Spirits Association – Support
Spencer Nevins, Michigan Beer and Wine Wholesalers Association – Support
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Charlene Brandt, 7-Eleven Incorporated – Support
Auday Arabo, Midwest Independent Retailers Association - Support
There being no further business before the committee, the Chairman moved to adjourn the meeting. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 12:46 p.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: 10.23.2019
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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY
REP. GRAHAM FILLER
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, October 15, 2019
9:00 AM
Room 519, House Office Building
The House Standing Committee on Judiciary was called to order by Chair Filler.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Filler, LaFave, Farrington, Howell, Steven Johnson, Rendon, Berman,
Wozniak, LaGrand, Guerra, Elder, Yancey, Bolden.
Absent/Excused: None.
Representative LaFave moved to adopt the meeting minutes from October 8, 2019. There being
no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid SB 84, SB 90, SB 91, SB 92, SB 93, SB 94, SB 95, SB 96, SB 97, SB 98, SB 99,
SB 100, SB 101 and SB 102 before the committee:
SB 84
(Sen. VanderWall)
A bill to amend 2013 PA 93, entitled
“Michigan indigent defense commission act,” by amending
section 3 (MCL 780.983), as amended by 2018 PA 214.
SB 90
(Sen. Lucido)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 288, entitled
“Probate code of 1939,” by amending sections 1, 3, and 11 of
chapter XIIA (MCL 712A.1, 712A.3, and 712A.11), section
1 as amended by 2016 PA 496, section 3 as amended by
1996 PA 409, and section 11 as amended by 2016 PA 185.
SB 91
(Sen. MacDonald)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 175,
entitled “The code of criminal procedure,” by amending
section 27a of chapter IV (MCL 764.27a), as amended by
1996 PA 254.
SB 92
(Sen. Santana) A bill to amend 1927 PA 175, entitled “The
code of criminal procedure,” by amending section 11 of
chapter II (MCL 762.11), as amended by 2015 PA 31.
SB 93
(Sen. Chang)
A bill to amend 1974 PA 150, entitled
“Youth rehabilitation services act,” by amending section 2
(MCL 803.302), as amended by 1998 PA 517.
SB 94
(Sen. Irwin)
A bill to amend 1974 PA 258, entitled
“Mental health code,” by amending section 1060a (MCL
330.2060a), as added by 2012 PA 540.
SB 95
(Sen. Santana) A bill to amend 1988 PA 13, entitled
“Juvenile diversion act,” by amending sections 2 and 8
(MCL 722.822 and 722.828), section 2 as amended by 1996
PA 415.
SB 96
(Sen. Hollier)
A bill to amend 1931 PA 328, entitled “The
Michigan penal code,” by amending section 139 (MCL
750.139), as amended by 1998 PA 510.
SB 97
(Sen. Hertel)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 288, entitled
“Probate code of 1939,” by amending sections 14, 15, 16, 18,
and 18i of chapter XIIA (MCL 712A.14, 712A.15, 712A.16,
712A.18, and 712A.18i), section 14 as amended by 2012 PA
163, section 15 as amended by 1998 PA 474, section 16 as
amended by 1998 PA 478, section 18 as amended by 2018
PA 58, and section 18i as added by 1996 PA 244.
SB 98
(Sen. Bullock) A bill to amend 1927 PA 175, entitled “The
code of criminal procedure,” by amending section 27 of
chapter IV (MCL 764.27), as amended by 1996 PA 418.
SB 99
(Sen. Johnson) A bill to amend 1927 PA 175, entitled “The
code of criminal procedure,” by amending section 15b of
chapter IV (MCL 764.15b), as amended by 2001 PA 209.
SB 100
(Sen. Lucido)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 288, entitled
“Probate code of 1939,” by amending section 2 of chapter
XIIA (MCL 712A.2), as amended by 2018 PA 58.
SB 101
(Sen. Lucido)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 280, entitled “The
social welfare act,” by amending section 117a (MCL
400.117a), as amended by 2018 PA 580.
SB 102
(Sen. Santana) A bill to amend 1939 PA 280, entitled “The
social welfare act,"(MCL 400.1 to 400.119b) by adding
section 117i.
Senator Lucido testified in support of SB 84, SB 90, SB 91, SB 92, SB 93, SB 94, SB 95, SB 96,
SB 97, SB 98, SB 99, SB 100, SB 101 and SB 102. Questions and discussion followed.
Bethany Wicksall representing State Budget Office, testified with no position on SB 84, SB 90,
SB 91, SB 92, SB 93, SB 94, SB 95, SB 96, SB 97, SB 98, SB 99, SB 100, SB 101 and SB 102.
The following people submitted a card in support of SB 84, SB 90, SB 91, SB 92, SB 93, SB 94,
SB 95, SB 96, SB 97, SB 98, SB 99, SB 100, SB 101 and SB 102, but did not wish to speak:
David Coulter, representing the Oakland County Executive.
Noah Smith, representing the Criminal Defense Attorneys of Michigan.
Algeria Wilson, representing the National Association of Social Workers of Michigan.
Sandi Metcalf, representing the Michigan Association of Family Court Administrators.
Carla Grezeszak, representing the Northern Michigan Juvenile Officer Association.
Renee Edmondsen, representing the School-Community Health Alliance of Michigan.
Alex Rossman, representing the Michigan League for Public Policy.
Joshua Hoe, representing Safe and Just Michigan.
Jason Smith, representing the Michigan Council on Crime & Delinquency.
Brandon Lanyon, representing the Prosecuting Attorneys Association of Michigan.
Tom Hickson, representing the Michigan Catholic Conference.
Meghann Keit, representing the Michigan Association of Counties.
Andy Johnston, representing the Grand Rapids Chamber.
Representative Farrington moved to report out SB 84 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Filler, LaFave, Farrington, Howell, Steven Johnson, Rendon, Berman, Wozniak,
LaGrand, Guerra, Elder, Yancey, Bolden.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Berman moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to SB 90. The motion prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Filler, LaFave, Farrington, Howell, Steven Johnson, Rendon, Berman, Wozniak,
LaGrand, Guerra, Elder, Yancey, Bolden.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Howell moved to report out SB 90 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1). The
motion prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Filler, LaFave, Farrington, Howell, Steven Johnson, Rendon, Berman, Wozniak,
LaGrand, Guerra, Elder, Yancey, Bolden.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative LaFave moved to report out SB 93 with recommendation. The motion prevailed
13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Filler, LaFave, Farrington, Howell, Steven Johnson, Rendon, Berman, Wozniak,
LaGrand, Guerra, Elder, Yancey, Bolden.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Farrington moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to SB 97. The motion prevailed 13-0-
0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Filler, LaFave, Farrington, Howell, Steven Johnson, Rendon, Berman, Wozniak,
LaGrand, Guerra, Elder, Yancey, Bolden.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Steven Johnson moved to report out SB 97 with recommendation, as substitute
(H-1). The motion prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Filler, LaFave, Farrington, Howell, Steven Johnson, Rendon, Berman, Wozniak,
LaGrand, Guerra, Elder, Yancey, Bolden.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Rendon moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to SB 99. The motion prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Filler, LaFave, Farrington, Howell, Steven Johnson, Rendon, Berman, Wozniak,
LaGrand, Guerra, Elder, Yancey, Bolden.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative LaFave moved to report out SB 99 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1). The
motion prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Filler, LaFave, Farrington, Howell, Steven Johnson, Rendon, Berman, Wozniak,
LaGrand, Guerra, Elder, Yancey, Bolden.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Wozniak moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to SB 100. The motion prevailed 13-0-
0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Filler, LaFave, Farrington, Howell, Steven Johnson, Rendon, Berman, Wozniak,
LaGrand, Guerra, Elder, Yancey, Bolden.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Farrington moved to report out SB 100 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Filler, LaFave, Farrington, Howell, Steven Johnson, Rendon, Berman, Wozniak,
LaGrand, Guerra, Elder, Yancey, Bolden.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Farrington moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to SB 101. The motion prevailed 13-
0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Filler, LaFave, Farrington, Howell, Steven Johnson, Rendon, Berman, Wozniak,
LaGrand, Guerra, Elder, Yancey, Bolden.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Farrington moved to report out SB 101 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 12-0-1.
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Filler, LaFave, Farrington, Howell, Steven Johnson, Rendon, Wozniak,
LaGrand, Guerra, Elder, Yancey, Bolden.
Nays: None.
Pass: Rep. Berman.
Representative LaFave offered the following amendment to SB 102:
1. Amend page 2, line 8, after "chapter" by striking out "XXIIA" and inserting "XIIA".
Representative LaFave moved to adopt the amendment to SB 102. The motion prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Filler, LaFave, Farrington, Howell, Steven Johnson, Rendon, Berman, Wozniak,
LaGrand, Guerra, Elder, Yancey, Bolden.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative LaFave moved to report Senate Bill No. 102 as amended, as substitute (H-1). The
motion prevailed 12-0-1:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Filler, LaFave, Farrington, Howell, Steven Johnson, Rendon, Wozniak, LaGrand,
Guerra, Elder, Yancey, Bolden.
Nays: None.
Pass: Rep. Berman.
There being no further business before the committee, Rep. Graham Filler adjourned the meeting
at 9:31 AM.
Representative Graham Filler, Chair
Melissa Sweet
Committee Clerk
msweet@house.mi.gov


location: Room 307, House Office Building

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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON MILITARY, VETERANS AND HOMELAND SECURITY
REP. BEAU M LAFAVE
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, October 15, 2019
12:00 PM
Room 307, House Office Building
The House Standing Committee on Military, Veterans and Homeland Security was called to
order by Chair LaFave.
At 12:00 PM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 12:01 PM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. LaFave, Mueller, Marino, Afendoulis, Markkanen, Jones, Chirkun, Tyrone
Carter, Manoogian.
Absent/Excused: None.
Representative Jones moved to adopt the meeting minutes from October 8, 2019. There being no
objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4770, HB 4771, HB 4772, HB 4773 and HB 4774 before the committee:
HB 4770
(Rep. Johnson) A bill to amend 1931 PA 328, entitled "The
Michigan penal code," by amending sections 231 and 237a
(MCL 750.231 and 750.237a), as amended by 2017 PA 96;
and to repeal acts and parts of acts.
HB 4771
(Rep. Reilly)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 372, entitled "An
act to regulate and license the selling, purchasing,
possessing, and carrying of certain firearms, gas ejecting
devices, and electro-muscular disruption devices; to prohibit
the buying, selling, or carrying of certain firearms, gas
ejecting devices, and electro-muscular disruption devices
without a license or other authorization; to provide for the
forfeiture of firearms and electro-muscular disruption
devices under certain circumstances; to provide for penalties
and remedies; to provide immunity from civil liability under
certain circumstances; to prescribe the powers and duties of
certain state and local agencies; to prohibit certain conduct
against individuals who apply for or receive a license to
carry a concealed pistol; to make appropriations; to prescribe
certain conditions for the appropriations; and to repeal all
acts and parts of acts inconsistent with this act," by
amending sections 2, 2a, 5b, 5o, 12, and 15 (MCL 28.422,
28.422a, 28.425b, 28.425o, 28.432, and 28.435), section 2 as
amended by 2015 PA 200, section 2a as amended by 2016
PA 301, sections 5b and 5o as amended by 2017 PA 95,
section 12 as amended by 2010 PA 209, and section 15 as
added by 2000 PA 265.
HB 4772
(Rep. Hoitenga) A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled
"Natural resources and environmental protection act," by
amending section 43510 (MCL 324.43510), as amended by
2013 PA 108.
HB 4773
(Rep. Maddock)A bill to amend 1927 PA 175, entitled "The
code of criminal procedure," by amending section 12 of
chapter IX and sections 11b and 16m of chapter XVII (MCL
769.12, 777.11b, and 777.16m), section 12 of chapter IX as
amended by 2012 PA 319, section 11b of chapter XVII as
amended by 2016 PA 234, and section 16m of chapter XVII
as amended by 2018 PA 637.
HB 4774
(Rep. Hornberger)
A bill to amend 1953 PA 232,
entitled "Corrections code of 1953," by amending section
33b (MCL 791.233b), as amended by 2019 PA 16.
Representatives Johnson, Hornberger and Hoitenga testified in support of HB 4770, HB 4771,
HB 4772, HB 4773 and HB 4774.
Representative Reilly testified in support of HB 4770, HB 4771, HB 4772, HB 4773 and HB
4774.
Steve Dolan, representing the Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, testified in
support of HB 4770, HB 4771, HB 4772, HB 4773 and HB 4774.
Carmi Finn, representing Moms Demand Action, testified in opposition to HB 4770, HB 4771,
HB 4772, HB 4773 and HB 4774.
Tom Lambert, representing Michigan Open Carry, testified in support of HB 4770, HB 4771, HB
4772, HB 4773 and HB 4774.
Lee Miracle representing the Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia, testified in support of HB
4770, HB 4771, HB 4772, HB 4773 and HB 4774.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4770, HB 4771, HB 4772, HB 4773
and HB 4774, but did not wish to speak:
Sean Sorenson-Abbott, representing the Michigan Health and Hospital Association.
Paul Stankewitz, representing the Michigan Catholic Conference.
John McNamara, representing McLaren Health Care.
Autumn Gillard, representing Trinity Health Care.
Mary Pollock, representing the American Association of University Women.
Rachel Kelley, representing Ascension Michigan.
Sam Champagne, representing the Henry Ford Health System.
Frank Foster, representing Everytown for Gun Safety.
Linda R. Larsen, representing Moms Demand Action
There being no further business before the committee, Rep. Beau LaFave adjourned the meeting
at 12:50 PM.
Representative Beau LaFave, Chair
Matt Carnagie
Committee Clerk
mcarnagie@house.mi.gov


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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES AND OUTDOOR RECREATION
REP. GARY HOWELL
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, October 15, 2019
12:00 PM
Room 326, House Office Building
The House Standing Committee on Natural Resources and Outdoor Recreation was called to
order by Chair Howell.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Howell, Wakeman, Calley, Reilly, Rendon, Eisen, Sowerby, Cambensy,
Pohutsky.
Absent/Excused: None.
Representative Sowerby moved to adopt the meeting minutes from October 8, 2019. There being
no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4742 and HB 4743 before the committee:
HB 4742
(Rep. Howell)
A bill to amend 1885 PA 152, entitled" An
act to authorize the establishment of facilities for former
members of the armed forces of the United States in the state
of Michigan; to create funds; and to provide for the
promulgation of rules,"(MCL 36.1 to 36.12) by adding
section 10b.
HB 4743
(Rep. Tate)
A bill to amend 2016 PA 560, entitled"
Michigan veterans' facility authority act,"(MCL 36.101 to
36.112) by adding section 6a.
Chairman Howell handed the gavel over to Vice Chair Wakeman at 12:02 pm
Representative Tate testified in support of HB 4742 and HB 4743.
Representative Howell testified in support of HB 4742 and HB 4743.
Chairman Howell took the gavel back at 12:05 pm
The Chair laid HB 4744 before the committee:
HB 4744
(Rep. Love)
A bill to amend 1976 PA 399, entitled" Safe
drinking water act," by amending section 2 (MCL 325.1002),
as amended by 1998 PA 56, and by adding section 7a.
Representative Love testified in support of HB 4744.
The Chair laid HB 4745 before the committee:
HB 4745
(Rep. Kahle)
A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled"
Natural resources and environmental protection act," by
amending section 60108 (MCL 324.60108), as amended by
2011 PA 167.
Representative Kahle testified in support of HB 4745.
The Chair laid HB 4746 before the committee:
HB 4746
(Rep. Griffin)
A bill to establish the Michigan PFAS action
response team and provide for its powers and duties; and to
prescribe the powers and duties of certain state and local
agencies and officials.
Representative Griffin testified in support of HB 4746.
The Chair laid HB 4747 and HB 4748 before the committee:
HB 4747
(Rep. Cherry)
A bill to amend 1978 PA 368, entitled"
Public health code,"(MCL 333.1101 to 333.25211) by adding
section 5478b.
HB 4748
(Rep. Whiteford)
A bill to amend 1978 PA 368,
entitled" Public health code,"(MCL 333.1101 to 333.25211)
by adding section 5478a.
Representative Cherry testified in support of HB 4747 and HB 4748.
Representative Whiteford testified in support of HB 4747 and HB 4748.
The Chair laid HB 4749 before the committee:
HB 4749
(Rep. Afendoulis)
A bill to amend 1976 PA 399,
entitled" Safe drinking water act," by amending section 7
(MCL 325.1007), as amended by 1998 PA 56.
Representative Afendoulis testified in support of HB 4749.
The Chair laid HB 4750 before the committee:
HB 4750
(Rep. Kennedy) A bill to amend 1976 PA 399, entitled" Safe
drinking water act," by amending section 21 (MCL
325.1021), as amended by 2006 PA 601, and by adding
section 19d.
Representative Kennedy testified in support of HB 4750.
The Chair laid HB 4064 before the committee and returned to HB 4742, HB 4743, HB 4744, HB
4745, HB 4746, HB 4747, HB 4748, HB 4749 and HB 4750:
HB 4064
(Rep. Neeley)
A bill to amend 1976 PA 399, entitled" Safe
drinking water act," by amending section 2 (MCL 325.1002),
as amended by 1998 PA 56, and by adding section 7a.
James Clift, George Krisztian, & Steve Sliver, representing the Michigan Department of
Environment, Great Lakes, and Energy, testified with no position on HB 4064, HB 4742, HB
4743, HB 4744, HB 4746, HB 4749 and HB 4750.
Sarah Lyon-Callo, representing the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services, Bureau
of Epidemiology and Population Health, testified in opposition to HB 4747 and HB 4748.
Charlotte Jameson, representing the Michigan Environmental Council, testified with a neutral
position on HB 4064, HB 4742, HB 4743, HB 4744, HB 4745, HB 4746, HB 4747, HB 4748,
HB 4749 and HB 4750.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4745, but did not wish to speak:
Mike Frederick, representing the MI Ground Water Association.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4064, but did not wish to speak:
Peter Spadafore, representing the MI Association of Superintendents & Administrators.
There being no further business before the committee, Rep. Gary Howell adjourned the meeting
at 12:54 PM.
Representative Gary Howell, Chair
Amy Rostkowycz
Committee Clerk
arostkowycz@house.mi.gov


location: Room 521, House Office Building

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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON REGULATORY REFORM
REP. MICHAEL WEBBER
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, October 15, 2019
10:30 AM
Room 521, House Office Building
The House Standing Committee on Regulatory Reform was called to order by Chair Webber.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Webber, Berman, Crawford, Farrington, Frederick, Hoitenga, Filler, Hall,
Wendzel, Chirkun, Liberati, Cambensy, Jones, Garza, Robinson.
Absent/Excused: None.
Representative Chirkun moved to adopt the meeting minutes from October 3, 2019. There being
no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4689 before the committee:
HB 4689
(Rep. VanSingel)
A bill to amend 1937 PA 306,
entitled “An act to promote the safety, welfare, and
educational interests of the people of the state of Michigan
by regulating the construction, reconstruction, and
remodeling of certain public or private school buildings or
additions to such buildings, by regulating the construction,
reconstruction, and remodeling of buildings leased or
acquired for school purposes, and to define the class of
buildings affected by this act; to prescribe the powers and
duties of certain state agencies and officials; to prescribe
penalties for the violation of this act; and to repeal acts and
parts of acts,” by amending the title and section 5a (MCL
388.855a), the title as amended by 2002 PA 628 and section
5a as amended by 2006 PA 199, and by adding section 1d.
The following people submitted a card with a neutral position on HB 4689, but did not wish to
speak:
Blaine Koops, representing the Michigan Sheriffs Association.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4689, but did not wish to speak:
Peter Spadafore, representing the Michigan Association of Superintendents and
Administrators.
Paul Stankewitz, representing the Michigan Catholic Conference.
Brian Broderick, representing the Michigan Association for Non-Public Schools.
Paul Leibanow, representing the Middle and Elementary School Principals Association.
Tabitha Zimmy, representing Nightlock.
Representative Filler moved to adopt substitute (H-2) to HB 4689. The motion prevailed 15-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Webber, Berman, Crawford, Farrington, Frederick, Hoitenga, Filler, Hall,
Wendzel, Chirkun, Liberati, Cambensy, Jones, Garza, Robinson.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Filler moved to refer House Bill No. 4689 to the committee on Ways and Means,
with recommendation as substitute (H-2). The motion prevailed 15-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Webber, Berman, Crawford, Farrington, Frederick, Hoitenga, Filler, Hall,
Wendzel, Chirkun, Liberati, Cambensy, Jones, Garza, Robinson.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 4912 before the committee:
HB 4912
(Rep. Hauck)
A bill to amend 1998 PA 58, entitled
“Michigan liquor control code of 1998,"by amending section
513 (MCL 436.1513), as amended by 2018 PA 479.
Representative Wendzel moved to refer House Bill No. 4912 to the committee on Ways and
Means. The motion prevailed 15-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Webber, Berman, Crawford, Farrington, Frederick, Hoitenga, Filler, Hall,
Wendzel, Chirkun, Liberati, Cambensy, Jones, Garza, Robinson.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid SB 320 before the committee:
SB 320
(Sen. MacGregor)
A bill to amend 1998 PA 58, entitled
“Michigan liquor control code of 1998,"by amending
sections 207, 501, 536, 701, 703, 801, 803, 903, 1025, and
1027 (MCL 436.1207, 436.1501, 436.1536, 436.1701,
436.1703, 436.1801, 436.1803, 436.1903, 436.2025, and
436.2027), section 501 as amended by 2012 PA 82, section
536 as added by 2018 PA 408, section 701 as amended by
2010 PA 266, section 703 as amended by 2017 PA 89,
section 801 as amended by 2008 PA 11, section 803 as
amended by 2016 PA 105, section 903 as amended by 2010
PA 175, section 1025 as amended by 2017 PA 88, and section
1027 as amended by 2011 PA 219.
Representative Hall moved to refer Senate Bill No. 320 to the committee on Ways and Means.
The motion prevailed 15-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Webber, Berman, Crawford, Farrington, Frederick, Hoitenga, Filler, Hall,
Wendzel, Chirkun, Liberati, Cambensy, Jones, Garza, Robinson.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
At 10:42 AM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 10:50 AM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
The Chair laid HB 5097 before the committee:
HB 5097
(Rep. Iden)
A bill to amend 2005 PA 244, entitled”
Deferred presentment service transactions act,” by amending
the title and sections 2, 11, 13, 15, 17, 22, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35,
36, 45, and 53 (MCL 487.2122, 487.2131, 487.2133,
487.2135, 487.2137, 487.2142, 487.2151, 487.2152,
487.2153, 487.2154, 487.2155, 487.2156, 487.2165, and
487.2173), section 2 as amended by 2016 PA 140 and section
35 as amended by 2016 PA 141, and by adding sections 31a
and 32a.
Representative Iden testified in support of HB 5097.
Karin Gyger and Mark Weigold, representing Michigan Department of Insurance and Financial
Services, testified with no position on HB 5097.
Ron Hicks, representing Advance America, testified in support of HB 5097.
Tom Hickson, representing the Michigan Catholic Conference, testified in opposition of HB
5097.
Jessica AcMoody, representing the Community Economic Development Association of
Michigan, testified in opposition to HB 5097.
John Rabenold, representing Check N Go of Michigan, testified in support of HB 5097.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 5097, but did not wish to speak:
Kelly Bidelman, representing the Center for Civil Justice.
Peter Ruark, representing the Michigan League for Public Policy.
Lorray Brown, representing the Michigan Poverty Law Program.
Frank Taylor, representing the Michigan Community Association.
Sandy Pearson, representing Habitat for Humanity of Michigan.
Ruth Johnson, representing the Community Development Advocates of Detroit.
Dennis West, representing the Northern Initiatives.
Jeremy DeRoo, representing Linking International Needs with the Church's Untapped
Power.
Greg Hall, representing the Genesee County Habitat for Humanity.
Libby Palackdharry, representing Southwest Economic Solutions.
Tom Edmiston, representing Cinnaire.
Christine Coady Narayanan, representing the Opportunity Resource Fund.
Monica Schuyler, representing the Pennies from Heaven Foundation.
Penny Payea, representing herself.
Scott Faustyn, representing Cottonwood Financial.
Rosalie Monfehe, representing Blue Water Community Action.
Helen Lehman, representing the Housing Resources Incorporated.
Jim Benedict, representing himself.
The following people submitted a card with no position on HB 5097, but did not wish to speak:
Haleigh Krombeen, representing the Michigan Credit Union League.
There being no further business before the committee, Rep. Michael Webber adjourned the
meeting at 11:58 AM.
Representative Michael Webber, Chair
Sondra Gordon
Committee Clerk
sgordon@house.mi.gov


location: Room 327, House Office Building

evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION
REP. JACK O'MALLEY
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, October 15, 2019
10:30 AM
Room 327, House Office Building
The House Standing Committee on Transportation was called to order by Chair O'Malley.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. O'Malley, Eisen, Cole, Sheppard, Alexander, Bellino, Howell, Afendoulis,
Sneller, Clemente, Yancey, Haadsma, Shannon.
Absent/Excused: None.
Representative Sheppard moved to adopt the meeting minutes from October 8, 2019. There being
no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4967 before the committee:
HB 4967
(Rep. Mueller) A bill to amend 1933 PA 170, entitled "An
act to regulate the practice of taking bids and awarding
contracts on public work construction, maintenance or repair
work, except public buildings, and to provide a means of
prohibiting those not qualified by experience, financial
resources or any other valid reason from undertaking such
public construction work," by amending sections 1 and 3
(MCL 123.501 and 123.503).
Representative Mueller testified in support of HB 4967.
Ed Noyola, representing the County Road Association of Michigan, testified in support of HB
4967. Questions and discussion followed.
Representative Mueller approached to answer questions from committee members.
Tim Griemel, representing the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees,
Council 25, testified in opposition of HB 4967.
Chris Hackbarth, representing the Michigan Municipal league, submitted a card in support of HB
4967 in concept, but did not wish to speak.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4967, but did not wish to speak:
Mike Frederick, representing the City of Jackson.
Deena Bosworth, representing the Michigan Association of Counties.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4967, but did not wish to speak:
Troy Hagon, representing the Michigan Department of Transportation.
Monica Ackerson, representing the Michigan Road Preservation Association.
The Chair laid HB 4973 before the committee:
HB 4973
(Rep. Glenn)
A bill to amend 1951 PA 51, entitled "An act
to provide for the classification of all public roads, streets,
and highways in this state, and for the revision of that
classification and for additions to and deletions from each
classification; to set up and establish the Michigan
transportation fund; to provide for the deposits in the
Michigan transportation fund of specific taxes on motor
vehicles and motor vehicle fuels; to provide for the
allocation of funds from the Michigan transportation fund
and the use and administration of the fund for transportation
purposes; to promote safe and efficient travel for motor
vehicle drivers, bicyclists, pedestrians, and other legal users
of roads, streets, and highways; to set up and establish the
truck safety fund; to provide for the allocation of funds from
the truck safety fund and administration of the fund for truck
safety purposes; to set up and establish the Michigan truck
safety commission; to establish certain standards for road
contracts for certain businesses; to provide for the continuing
review of transportation needs within the state; to authorize
the state transportation commission, counties, cities, and
villages to borrow money, issue bonds, and make pledges of
funds for transportation purposes; to authorize counties to
advance funds for the payment of deficiencies necessary for
the payment of bonds issued under this act; to provide for the
limitations, payment, retirement, and security of the bonds
and pledges; to provide for appropriations and tax levies by
counties and townships for county roads; to authorize
contributions by townships for county roads; to provide for
the establishment and administration of the state trunk line
fund, local bridge fund, comprehensive transportation fund,
and certain other funds; to provide for the deposits in the
state trunk line fund, critical bridge fund, comprehensive
transportation fund, and certain other funds of money raised
by specific taxes and fees; to provide for definitions of
public transportation functions and criteria; to define the
purposes for which Michigan transportation funds may be
allocated; to provide for Michigan transportation fund grants;
to provide for review and approval of transportation
programs; to provide for submission of annual legislative
requests and reports; to provide for the establishment and
functions of certain advisory entities; to provide for
conditions for grants; to provide for the issuance of bonds
and notes for transportation purposes; to provide for the
powers and duties of certain state and local agencies and
officials; to provide for the making of loans for
transportation purposes by the state transportation
department and for the receipt and repayment by local units
and agencies of those loans from certain specified sources;
and to repeal acts and parts of acts," by amending sections 9a
and 12 (MCL 247.659a and 247.662), section 9a as amended
by 2018 PA 325 and section 12 as amended by 2015 PA 175.
Representative Glenn testified in support of HB 4973. Questions and discussion followed.
Ed Noyola, representing County Road Association of Michigan, testified in support of HB 4973.
Questions and discussion followed.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4973, but did not wish to speak:
Chris Hackbarth, representing the Michigan Municipal League.
Mike Frederick, representing the City of Jackson.
Dennis Kolar, representing the Road Commission for Oakland County.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4973, but did not wish to speak:
Troy Hagon, representing the Michigan Department of Transportation.
There being no further business before the committee, Rep. Jack O'Malley adjourned the meeting
at 11:00 AM.
Representative Jack O'Malley, Chair
Dakota Soda
Committee Clerk
dsoda@house.mi.gov


evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS
REP. BRANDT IDEN
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, October 15,
2019
Room 352, House Appropriations, State Capitol
Building
The House Standing Committee on Ways and Means was called to order by Chair Iden.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Hertel.
Absent/Excused: Rep. Neeley.
Representative Hertel moved to adopt the meeting minutes from October 8, 2019. There being no
objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
Representative Kahle introduced her guest, Emily Rowan, to the committee.
The Chair laid HB 4546 and HB 4547 before the committee:
HB 4546
(Rep. Kahle)
A bill to amend 2000 PA 258, entitled
"Career and technical preparation act, "by amending sections
3 and 4 (MCL 388.1903 and 388.1904), section 3 as
amended by 2012 PA 132 and section 4 as amended by 2012
PA 133.
HB 4547
(Rep. Frederick)
A bill to amend 1996 PA 160,
entitled "Postsecondary enrollment options act, "by
amending sections 3 and 4 (MCL 388.513 and 388.514),
section 3 as amended by 2018 PA 11 and section 4 as
amended by 2012 PA 134.
Representative Lilly moved to adopt substitute (H-2) to HB 4546. The motion prevailed 10-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly moved to report out HB 4546 with recommendation, as substitute (H-2).
The motion prevailed 10-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly moved to adopt substitute (H-2) to HB 4547. The motion prevailed 10-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly moved to report out HB 4547 with recommendation, as substitute (H-2).
The motion prevailed 10-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4546 and HB 4547, but did not wish to
speak:
Jeff Cobb, representing the Michigan Association of School Boards.
Caroline Liethen, representing the Michigan Department of Education.
The Chair laid HB 4862 before the committee:
HB 4862
(Rep. Wozniak) A bill to amend 1978 PA 368, entitled
"Public health code, "by amending section 20981 (MCL
333.20981), as added by 2016 PA 40.
Representative Leutheuser moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4862. The motion prevailed
10-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Wentworth moved to report out HB 4862 with recommendation, as substitute (H-
1). The motion prevailed 10-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4862, but did not wish to speak:
Emily Scwartzkopf, representing the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services.
Sean Sorenson-Abbott, representing the Michigan Health and Hospital Association.
Tobi Moore, representing the American Nurses Association of Michigan.
Heather Nicholoff, representing the Michigan Council of Nurse Practitioners.
The Chair laid SB 255 before the committee:
SB 255
(Sen. LaSata)
A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled
"Natural resources and environmental protection act, "by
amending section 5505 (MCL 324.5505), as amended by
2005 PA 57.
Representative Lilly moved to report out SB 255 with recommendation. The motion prevailed
10-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The following people submitted a card in support of SB 255, but did not wish to speak:
Doug Needham, representing the Michigan Aggregates Association.
Sarah Howes and Chris Ethridge, representing the Department of Environment, Great Lakes,
and Energy.
Representative Warren moved to excuse Representative Neeley from the meeting. There being
no objection the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
There being no further business before the committee, Rep. Brandt Iden adjourned the meeting at
10:41 AM.
Representative Brandt Iden, Chair
Edward Sleeper
Committee Clerk
esleeper@house.mi.gov


evidence_text:
MEMBERS:
SEN. LANA THEIS, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. RUTH A. JOHNSON
SEN. DAN LAUWERS
SEN. CURTIS S. VANDERWALL
SEN. DALE W. ZORN
SEN. JEREMY MOSS, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. DAYNA POLEHANKI
SEN. PAUL WOJNO
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON REGULATORY REFORM
SENATOR ARIC NESBITT
CHAIR
6100 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-0793
FAX: (517) 373-5607
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
October 15, 2019
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Regulatory Reform was scheduled for Tuesday, October 15, 2019, at
3:00 p.m., in the 1200 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Reported SB 434 (S-1) (Sen. Nesbitt) with recommendation and immediate effect.
2. Reported SB 543 (S-1) (Sen. VanderWall) with recommendation and immediate effect.
3. Reported SB 349 (Sen. VanderWall) with recommendation and immediate effect.
The Chair called the meeting to order at 3:04 p.m. He instructed the clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Nesbitt, Sen.(s) Theis, Johnson, Lauwers, VanderWall, Zorn, Moss,
Polehanki and Wojno; a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. VanderWall to adopt the meeting minutes from October 8, 2019.
Without objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 434:
Derek Sova, Michigan Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs – Support
Sen. Theis offered an (S-1) substitute to SB 434.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Theis to adopt the (S-1) version of SB 434. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Nesbitt, Sen.(s) Theis, Johnson, Lauwers, VanderWall, Zorn, Moss, Polehanki, Wojno.
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the (S-1) was adopted.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Theis to report the (S-1) version of SB 434 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
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Yeas: Chair Nesbitt, Sen.(s) Theis, Johnson, Lauwers, VanderWall, Moss, Polehanki, Wojno.
Nays: None
Pass: Sen. Zorn.
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair made a motion to recommend immediate effect for SB 434. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 543:
Brett Visner, Michigan Beer and Wine Wholesalers Association – Neutral
Scott Ellis, Michigan Licensed Beverage Association – Support
Kerry Krone, Michigan Liquor Control Commission – No Position
Sen. VanderWall offered an (S-1) substitute to SB 543.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. VanderWall to adopt the (S-1) version of SB 543. The vote was as
follows:
Yeas: Chair Nesbitt, Sen.(s) Theis, Lauwers, VanderWall, Zorn, Moss, Polehanki, Wojno.
Nays: None
Pass: Sen. Johnson.
The motion prevailed and the (S-1) was adopted.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. VanderWall to report the (S-1) version of SB 543 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Nesbitt, Sen.(s) Lauwers, VanderWall, Zorn, Polehanki, Wojno.
Nays: Sen.(s) Theis, Johnson, Moss.
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair made a motion to recommend immediate effect for SB 543. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 349:
Brett Visner, Michigan Beer and Wine Wholesalers Association – Neutral
Brendan Ringlever, Michigan Spirits Association – Opposition
Scott Ellis, Michigan Licensed Beverage Association – Support
Kerry Krone, Michigan Liquor Control Commision – Opposition
Jon O'Connor, Michigan Craft Distillers Association – Support
Sen. Polehanki offered an amendment to SB 349, identified as Amendment #1.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Polehanki to adopt Amendment #1 to SB 349. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Sen.(s) Moss, Polehanki, Wojno.
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Nays: Chair Nesbitt, Sen.(s) Theis, Johnson, Lauwers, VanderWall, Zorn.
The motion failed and the amendment was not adopted.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. VanderWall to report SB 349 to the floor with recommendation that it
pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Nesbitt, Sen.(s) Theis, Lauwers, VanderWall, Moss, Wojno.
Nays: Sen. Polehanki.
Pass: Sen.(s) Johnson, Zorn.
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair made a motion to recommend immediate effect for SB 349. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 3:15 p.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: October 22, 2019
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The Legislative Council submitted the following:

Meeting held on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, at 12:45 p.m., Harry T. Gast Appropriations Room, 3rd Floor, Capitol Building

Present: Senators Shirkey (C), Stamas, Schmidt, Horn, Ananich and Chang