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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON REGULATORY REFORM
REP. TYRONE CARTER
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, September 26, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 519, House Office Building
The House Committee on Regulatory Reform was called to order by Chair Tyrone Carter.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Tyrone Carter, Liberati, Neeley, Scott, Young, Grant, McFall, Snyder,
Wilson, Mueller, Filler, Wendzel, Aragona, Bierlein, Neyer.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
The Chair laid HB 4965 before the committee:
HB 4965
(Rep. Andrews)
A bill to amend 2006 PA 480, entitled "Uniform
video services local franchise act," by amending
section 1 (MCL 484.3301).
Representative Andrews, and Scott Ward, representing DISH Network and DIRECTV,
testified in support of HB 4965. Questions and discussion followed.
Michael Watza, representing PROTEC and MICMA, testified in opposition to HB 4965.
Questions and discussion followed.
The Chair laid SB 179 and SB 180 before the committee:
SB 179
(Sen. Irwin)
A bill to amend 2018 IL 1, entitled "Michigan
Regulation and Taxation of Marihuana Act," by
amending section 14 (MCL 333.27964).
SB 180
(Sen. Hauck)
A bill to amend 2018 IL 1, entitled "Michigan
Regulation and Taxation of Marihuana Act," by
amending sections 3, 7, 8, 10, and 13 (MCL
333.27953, 333.27957, 333.27958, 333.27960,
and 333.27963), sections 3 and 8 as amended by
2021 PA 56.
Senator Irwin and Senator Hauck testified in support of SB 179 and SB 180. Questions and
discussion followed.
Whitney Gravelle, representing the Bay Mills Indian Community, testified in support of SB
179 and SB 180.
The following people submitted a card in support of SB 179 and SB 180, but did not wish to
speak:
Derek Sova, representing the Cannabis Regulatory Agency.
Aaron Porter, representing the Grand Traverse Band of Ottawa and Chippewa Indians.
Manny Lentine, representing Common Citizen.
Erik Rodriguez, representing the Saginaw Chippewa Indian Tribe.
The Chair returned to HB 4965.
Tom Norton, representing WKTV; and Ian Locke, representing MICMA/ONTV, testified in
opposition to HB 4965. Questions and discussion followed.
Representative Steele testified in opposition to HB 4965.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4965, but did not wish to speak:
Renee Bivens, representing DISH Network.
Hamlin Wade, representing DIRECTV.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4965, but did not wish to speak:
Gary Allison, representing Waterford Township.
John LaMacchia, representing the Michigan Municipal League.
Teri Stiles, representing Oxford Community Television.
Chris Barnett, representing Orion Township.
Judy Allen, representing the Michigan Townships Association.
The Chair laid HB 4865 before the committee:
HB 4865
(Rep. Snyder)
A bill to amend 1998 PA 58, entitled "Michigan
liquor control code of 1998," by amending section
541 (MCL 436.1541), as amended by 2016 PA
434.
Representative Snyder; Mark Griffin, representing the Michigan Petroleum Association and
the Michigan Association of Convenience Stores; and JJ Westgate, representing Wesco;
testified in support of HB 4865. Questions and discussion followed.
David Marvin, representing the Michigan Liquor Control Commission, answered questions
on HB 4865.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4865, but did not wish to speak:
Tim Langholz, representing the National Federation of Independent Business.
The Chair laid HB 4647 before the committee:
HB 4647
(Rep. Aiyash)
A bill to amend 1980 PA 299, entitled
"Occupational code," by amending section 1113
(MCL 339.1113), as amended by 1984 PA 25.
Representative Filler moved to report out HB 4647 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 15-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Tyrone Carter, Liberati, Neeley, Scott, Young, Grant, McFall, Snyder,
Wilson, Mueller, Filler, Wendzel, Aragona, Bierlein, Neyer.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4647, but did not wish to speak:
Jarrett Skorup, representing the Mackinac Center for Public Policy.
Representative Liberati moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 19, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Tyrone Carter adjourned the
meeting at 11:29 AM.
Representative Tyrone Carter, Chair
Molly Wingrove
Committee Clerk
mwingrove@house.mi.gov


location: Room 521, House Office Building

meeting_state: held

evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION, MOBILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE
REP. NATE SHANNON
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, September 26, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 521, House Office Building
The House Committee on Transportation, Mobility and Infrastructure was called to order by
Chair Shannon.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Shannon, MacDonell, Coleman, Conlin, Farhat, Fitzgerald, Hoskins, Miller,
Outman, Roth, Bruck, Kunse, St. Germaine.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Coleman moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 19, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4723 before the committee:
HB 4723
(Rep. Morgan)
A bill to amend 1949 PA 300, entitled "Michigan
vehicle code," (MCL 257.1 to 257.923) by adding
section 803s.
Representative Roth moved to report out HB 4723 with recommendation. The motion prevailed
13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Shannon, MacDonell, Coleman, Conlin, Farhat, Fitzgerald, Hoskins, Miller,
Outman, Roth, Bruck, Kunse, St. Germaine.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 4897 before the committee:
HB 4897
(Rep. Shannon)
A bill to amend 1951 PA 51, entitled "An act to
provide for the classification of all public roads,
streets, and highways in this state, and for the
revision of that classification and for additions to
and deletions from each classification; to set up
and establish the Michigan transportation fund; to
provide for the deposits in the Michigan
transportation fund of specific taxes on motor
vehicles and motor vehicle fuels; to provide for
the allocation of funds from the Michigan
transportation fund and the use and administration
of the fund for transportation purposes; to promote
safe and efficient travel for motor vehicle drivers,
bicyclists, pedestrians, and other legal users of
roads, streets, and highways; to set up and
establish the truck safety fund; to provide for the
allocation of funds from the truck safety fund and
administration of the fund for truck safety
purposes; to set up and establish the Michigan
truck safety commission; to establish certain
standards for road contracts for certain businesses;
to provide for the continuing review of
transportation needs within the state; to authorize
the state transportation commission, counties,
cities, and villages to borrow money, issue bonds,
and make pledges of funds for transportation
purposes; to authorize counties to advance funds
for the payment of deficiencies necessary for the
payment of bonds issued under this act; to provide
for the limitations, payment, retirement, and
security of the bonds and pledges; to provide for
appropriations and tax levies by counties and
townships for county roads; to authorize
contributions by townships for county roads; to
provide for the establishment and administration
of the state trunk line fund, local bridge fund,
comprehensive transportation fund, and certain
other funds; to provide for the deposits in the state
trunk line fund, critical bridge fund,
comprehensive transportation fund, and certain
other funds of money raised by specific taxes and
fees; to provide for definitions of public
transportation functions and criteria; to define the
purposes for which Michigan transportation funds
may be allocated; to provide for Michigan
transportation fund grants; to provide for review
and approval of transportation programs; to
provide for submission of annual legislative
requests and reports; to provide for the
establishment and functions of certain advisory
entities; to provide for conditions for grants; to
provide for the issuance of bonds and notes for
transportation purposes; to provide for the powers
and duties of certain state and local agencies and
officials; to provide for the making of loans for
transportation purposes by the state transportation
department and for the receipt and repayment by
local units and agencies of those loans from
certain specified sources; to investigate and study
the tolling of roads, streets, highways, or bridges;
and to repeal acts and parts of acts," by amending
sections 12 and 13b (MCL 247.662 and
247.663b), section 12 as amended by 2020 PA
152.
Representative Conlin moved to report out HB 4897 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Shannon, MacDonell, Coleman, Conlin, Farhat, Fitzgerald, Hoskins, Miller,
Outman, Roth, Bruck, Kunse, St. Germaine.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid SB 251 before the committee:
SB 251
(Sen. Geiss)
A bill to amend 1982 PA 432, entitled "Motor bus
transportation act," by amending section 15 (MCL
474.115), as amended by 2016 PA 349.
Representative Miller moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to SB 251. The motion prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Shannon, MacDonell, Coleman, Conlin, Farhat, Fitzgerald, Hoskins, Miller,
Outman, Roth, Bruck, Kunse, St. Germaine.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative MacDonell moved to report out SB 251 with recommendation, as substitute (H-
1). The motion prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Shannon, MacDonell, Coleman, Conlin, Farhat, Fitzgerald, Hoskins, Miller,
Outman, Roth, Bruck, Kunse, St. Germaine.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid SB 22 before the committee:
SB 22
(Sen. Damoose)
A bill to amend 1945 PA 327, entitled
"Aeronautics code of the state of Michigan," by
amending section 80f (MCL 259.80f), as added by
2001 PA 225.
Senator Damoose testified in support of SB 22.
Jim Linderman, Emmett County Prosecutor, testified in support of SB 22.
Kevin Klein, representing the Michigan Association of Airport Executives and Cherry Capital
Airport, testified in support of SB 22. Questions and discussion followed.
The following people submitted a card in support of SB 22, but did not wish to speak:
Rebecca Bechler, representing Gerald R. Ford Airport.
Troy Hagon, representing the Michigan Department of Transportation.
The Chair laid HB 4845 before the committee:
HB 4845
(Rep. Bruck)
A bill to amend 2001 PA 142, entitled "Michigan
memorial highway act," (MCL 250.1001 to
250.2092) by adding section 103a.
Representative Bruck, joined by Monroe Township Assistant Fire Chief Mike Broman, Former
Fire Chief Larry Merkle, and Former Firefighter Brian Merkle, all testified in support of HB
4845.
The following person submitted a card with a neutral position on HB 4845, but did not wish to
speak:
Troy Hagon, representing the Michigan Department of Transportation.
At 10:55 AM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 10:56 AM, Majority Vice Chair MacDonell called the committee back to order.
The Vice Chair laid HB 4940 and HB 4941 before the committee:
HB 4940
(Rep. Shannon)
A bill to amend 1909 PA 283, entitled "An act to
revise, consolidate, and add to the laws relating to
the establishment, opening, discontinuing,
vacating, closing, altering, improvement,
maintenance, and use of the public highways and
private roads; the condemnation of property and
gravel therefor; the building, repairing and
preservation of bridges; maintaining public access
to waterways under certain conditions; setting and
protecting shade trees, drainage, and cutting
weeds and brush within this state; providing for
the election or appointment and defining the
powers, duties, and compensation of state, county,
township, and district highway officials; and to
prescribe penalties and provide remedies," by
amending section 21 (MCL 224.21), as amended
by 1996 PA 23.
HB 4941
(Rep. Filler)
A bill to amend 1964 PA 170, entitled "An act to
make uniform the liability of municipal
corporations, political subdivisions, and the state,
its agencies and departments, officers, employees,
and volunteers thereof, and members of certain
boards, councils, and task forces when engaged in
the exercise or discharge of a governmental
function, for injuries to property and persons; to
define and limit this liability; to define and limit
the liability of the state when engaged in a
proprietary function; to authorize the purchase of
liability insurance to protect against loss arising
out of this liability; to provide for defending
certain claims made against public officers,
employees, and volunteers and for paying
damages sought or awarded against them; to
provide for the legal defense of public officers,
employees, and volunteers; to provide for
reimbursement of public officers and employees
for certain legal expenses; and to repeal acts and
parts of acts," by amending section 2 (MCL
691.1402), as amended by 2012 PA 50.
Representative Shannon and Representative Filler both testified in support of HB 4940 and HB
4941. Questions and discussion followed.
At 11:01 AM, Majority Vice Chair MacDonell laid the committee at ease.
At 11:02 AM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4940 and HB 4941, but did not wish to
speak:
Bob DeVries, representing the County Road Commission Self Insurance Pool.
Ed Noyola, representing the County Road Association of Michigan.
Dennis Kolar, representing the Road Commission for Oakland County.
The following person submitted a card with no position on HB 4940 and HB 4941, but did not
wish to speak:
Troy Hagon, representing the Michigan Department of Transportation.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Shannon adjourned the meeting at
11:03 AM.
Representative Nate Shannon, Chair
Dakota Soda
Committee Clerk
dsoda@house.mi.gov


location: the 403 Room of the Capitol Building

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MEMBERS:
SEN. SYLVIA SANTANA, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. MARY CAVANAGH
SEN. ROSEMARY BAYER
SEN. SUE SHINK
SEN. STEPHANIE CHANG
SEN. JOHN CHERRY
SEN. ERIKA GEISS
SEN. JONATHAN LINDSEY, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. MICHELE HOITENGA
SEN. JOHN DAMOOSE
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON HOUSING AND HUMAN
SERVICES
SENATOR JEFF IRWIN
CHAIR
5100 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-2406
FAX: (517) 373-5679
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 26, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Housing and Human Services was scheduled for Tuesday, September 26,
2023, at 9:00 a.m., in the 403 Room of the Capitol Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Reported SB 382 (Sen. Chang) with recommendation.
2. Reported SB 383 (Sen. Cavanagh) with recommendation.
The Chair called the meeting to order at 9:13 a.m. He instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Irwin, Sen.(s) Santana, Cavanagh, Bayer, Shink, Chang, Cherry, Geiss,
Lindsey, Hoitenga, and Damoose, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Shink to adopt the meeting minutes from September 19, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
The following cards were turned in of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding
SB 382 and SB 383:
Kyle Richard, The Rent is Too Damn High – Support
Henry Duong, Rising Voices – Support
Tabitha Zimny, Association of United Ways – Support
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Chang to report SB 382 to the floor with recommendation that it pass.
The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Irwin, Sen.(s) Santana, Cavanagh, Bayer, Shink, Chang, Cherry, Geiss, and Damoose
Nays: Sen.(s) Lindsey and Hoitenga
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Cavanagh to report SB 383 to the floor with recommendation that it
pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Irwin, Sen.(s) Santana, Cavanagh, Bayer, Shink, Chang, Cherry, Geiss, and Damoose
Nays: Sen.(s) Lindsey and Hoitenga
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
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There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 9:17 a.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: October 10, 2023
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MEMBERS:
SEN. ERIKA GEISS, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. STEPHANIE CHANG
SEN. DARRIN CAMILLERI
SEN. KRISTEN MCDONALD RIVET
SEN. JOHN DAMOOSE, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. RUTH JOHNSON
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION
SENATOR DAYNA POLEHANKI
CHAIR
310 CAPITOL BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7350
FAX: (517) 373-9228
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 26, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Education was scheduled for Tuesday, September 26, 2023, at 2:00 p.m.,
in the 1100 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Reported SB 500 (Sen. Polehanki) with recommendation.
2. Testimony regarding SB 518 (Sen. Camilleri).
The Chair called the meeting to order at 2:02 p.m.
At 2:03 p.m., the Chair recessed the committee.
At 2:04 p.m., the Chair reconvened the committee.
The Chair instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the following members were present: Chair
Polehanki, Sen.(s) Geiss, Chang, Camilleri, McDonald Rivet, Damoose and Johnson, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Geiss to adopt the meeting minutes from September 19, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 500:
Tammy Daenzer, Michigan Education Association – Support
Noah Smith, MASP and MASSW – Support
Jennifer Smith, Michigan Association of School Boards – Support
Gary Dougherty, American Diabetes Association – Support
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Damoose to report SB 500 to the floor with recommendation that it
pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Polehanki, Sen.(s) Geiss, Chang, Camilleri, McDonald Rivet, and Damoose.
Nays: None
Pass: Sen.(s) Johnson.
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 518:
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Sen. Darrin Camilleri – Support
Rebecca McIntyre, Michigan Department of Education – Support
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 518:
Jack Elsey, Michigan Education Taskforce Initiative – Support
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 2:14 p.m.
Date adopted by committee: 10/10/23
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MEMBERS:
SEN. JOHN CHERRY, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. SAM SINGH
SEN. DAYNA POLEHANKI
SEN. KEVIN DALEY, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. ROGER VICTORY
SEN. MICHELE HOITENGA
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES
AND AGRICULTURE
SENATOR SUE SHINK
CHAIR
4200 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-2426
FAX: (517) 373-2964
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 26, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Natural Resources and Agriculture was scheduled for Tuesday,
September 26, 2023, at 3:00 p.m., in the 1300 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Reported SB 441 (S-1) (Sen. Shink) with recommendation.
2. Presentations regarding Climate Change and Conservation from Ducks Unlimited and Trout
Unlimited.
3. Presentations regarding the Changing Seasons Report from the National Wildlife Federation and the
Michigan United Conservation Clubs.
The Chair called the meeting to order at 3:03 p.m. She instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Shink, Sen.(s) Cherry, Singh, Polehanki, Daley, Victory, and Hoitenga,
a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Cherry to adopt the meeting minutes from September 12, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair offered, and summarized, an (S-1) version of SB 441.
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 441:
Taylor Ridderbusch, Michigan Department of Natural Resources – Support
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Cherry to adopt the (S-1) version of SB 441. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Shink, Sen.(s) Cherry, Singh, Polehanki, Daley, Victory, and Hoitenga
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the (S-1) was adopted.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Cherry to report the (S-1) version of SB 441 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Shink, Sen.(s) Cherry, Singh, Polehanki, Daley, and Victory
Nays: Sen. Hoitenga
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
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The Chair invited representatives from Kyle Rorah from Ducks Unlimited and Brian Burroughs from Trout
Unlimited to give presentations regarding climate change and their conservation efforts.
The Chair invited Marc Smith from the National Wildlife Federation and Amy Trotter from the Michigan
United Conservation Clubs to give a presentation regarding their Changing Seasons Report.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 441:
Bill Winowiecki, Michigan Charter Boat Association – Oppose
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 3:56 p.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: October 10, 2023
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MEMBERS:
SEN. PAUL WOJNO, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. JEREMY MOSS
SEN. ROSEMARY BAYER
SEN. SUE SHINK
SEN. MICHELE HOITENGA, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. KEVIN DALEY
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON LOCAL GOVERNMENT
SENATOR VERONICA KLINEFELT
CHAIR
6600 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7670
FAX: (517) 373-5958
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 26, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Local Government was scheduled for Tuesday, September 26, 2023, at
2:00 p.m., in the 1200 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1.
Testimony regarding SB 480 (Sen. Hertel).
The Chair called the meeting to order at 2:02 p.m. She instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Klinefelt, Sen.(s) Wojno, Moss, Bayer, Shink, Hoitenga and Daley, a
quorum was present.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Wojno to adopt the meeting minutes from September 12, 2023.
Without objection the minutes were adopted.
The Chair brought up SB 480, and invited Sen. Hertel to summarize the bill.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 480:
Keith Pionk, KM Realty – Support
Brad Ward, Michigan Realtors – Support
David Pierson, Michigan Realtors – Support
Judy Allen, Michigan Townships Association – No Position
The cards were read of those individuals not wishing to present testimony regarding SB 480:
Dawn Crandall, Home Builders Association of Michigan - Support
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 2:30 p.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: 10/31/2023
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location: Room 327, House Office Building

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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE
REP. REGGIE MILLER
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Wednesday, September 27, 2023
9:00 AM
Room 327, House Office Building
The House Committee on Agriculture was called to order by Chair Miller.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Miller, Paiz, Stone, Young, Coffia, Dievendorf, Fitzgerald, Rheingans,
Neyer, VanderWall, Roth, Bierlein, Smit.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Paiz moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 13, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid SB 148 and SB 149 before the committee:
SB 148
(Sen. Polehanki)
A bill to amend 1969 PA 224, entitled "An act to
license and regulate dealers in and research
facilities using dogs and cats for research
purposes; and to repeal certain acts and parts of
acts," by amending section 12 (MCL 287.392) and
by adding sections 11a and 12a.
SB 149
(Sen. Hertel)
A bill to amend 1969 PA 224, entitled "An act to
license and regulate dealers in and research
facilities using dogs and cats for research
purposes; and to repeal certain acts and parts of
acts," by amending the title and sections 1 and 7
(MCL 287.381 and 287.387) and by adding
section 8a.
At 9:05 AM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 9:09 AM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
Senator Hertel and Senator Polehanki testified in support of SB 148 and SB 149. Questions
and discussion followed.
Blake Goodman, representing the Humane Society of the United States, testified in support of
SB 148 and SB 149. Questions and discussion followed.
Rob Stachlewitz, representing the Corporate Vice President and General Manager of Charles
River Mattawan, and.Mandy Hagan, the Director of State Government Affairs for the Animal
Health Institute, testified in opposition to SB 148 and SB 149. Questions and discussion
followed
Tanya Hilgendor, representing the Humane Society of Huron Valley, testified in support of
SB 148 and SB 149. Questions and discussion followed.
Rob Stachlewitz returned to answer questions.
Dave Rubello, representing the St. Clair Shores Council Member and Teddy's Dad, testified
in support of SB 148 and SB 149.
The following people submitted a card in support of SB 148 and SB 149, but did not wish to
speak:
Ashley Steffen, representing the Michigan Department of Agriculture and Rural
Development.
Bee Friedlander, representing Attorneys for Animals.
Ann Griffin, representing the State Bar of Michigan Animal law section and Michigan
Humane Society.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to SB 148 and SB 149, but did not wish
to speak:
Nancy Mckee, representing Zoetis.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Miller adjourned the meeting at
10:25 AM.
Representative Reggie Miller, Chair
Justin Easter
Committee Clerk
jeaster@house.mi.gov


location: Room 307, House Office Building

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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS
REP. TULLIO LIBERATI
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Wednesday, September 27, 2023
12:00 PM
Room 307, House Office Building
The House Committee on Government Operations was called to order by Chair Liberati.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Liberati, Pohutsky, McFall, Posthumus, Greene.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative McFall moved to adopt the meeting minutes from June 14, 2023. There being
no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4825 before the committee:
HB 4825
(Rep. Hill)
A bill to amend 1986 PA 182, entitled "State
police retirement act of 1986," by amending
section 66 (MCL 38.1666), as added by 2018 PA
674.
Representative Pohutsky moved to refer HB 4825 to the Committee on Natural Resources,
Environment, Tourism and Outdoor Recreation. The motion prevailed 5-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Liberati, Pohutsky, McFall, Posthumus, Greene.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 4722 before the committee:
HB 4722
(Rep. Scott)
A bill to amend 2005 PA 48, entitled "An act to
designate the third Saturday in June as Juneteenth
National Freedom Day; and to designate
November 26 of each year as Sojourner Truth Day
in the state of Michigan," by amending the title
and section 1 (MCL 435.361).
Representative Scott testified in support of HB 4722.
Representative Pohutsky moved to report out HB 4722 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 3-0-2:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Liberati, Pohutsky, McFall.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Posthumus, Greene.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Liberati adjourned the meeting
at 12:07 PM.
Representative Tullio Liberati, Chair
Legan Rose
Committee Clerk
LRose@house.mi.gov


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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY
REP. KELLY A BREEN
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Wednesday, September 27, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 521, House Office Building
The House Committee on Judiciary was called to order by Chair Breen.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Breen, Edwards, Tyrone Carter, Hope, Arbit, Dievendorf, Hoskins,
Tsernoglou, Fink, Wendzel, Wozniak, Outman, Johnsen.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Arbit joined the committee remotely.
Representative Edwards moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 13, 2023.
There being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4909, HB 4910, HB 4911, HB 4912 and HB 5047 before the committee:
HB 4909
(Rep. Breen)
A bill to amend 1998 PA 386, entitled "Estates and
protected individuals code," by amending sections
5104, 5106, 5310, 5313, and 5409 (MCL
700.5104, 700.5106, 700.5310, 700.5313, and
700.5409), section 5106 as amended by 2017 PA
136, section 5310 as amended by 2000 PA 54,
section 5313 as amended by 2012 PA 545, and
section 5409 as amended by 2000 PA 463, and by
adding section 5106a.
HB 4910
(Rep. Tsernoglou)
A bill to amend 1998 PA 386, entitled "Estates and
protected individuals code," by amending sections
5305, 5314, 5406, 5417, and 5418 (MCL
700.5305, 700.5314, 700.5406, 700.5417, and
700.5418), section 5305 as amended by 2017 PA
155, section 5314 as amended by 2018 PA 594,
section 5406 as amended by 2000 PA 464, and
sections 5417 and 5418 as amended by 2000 PA
312, and by adding section 5314a.
HB 4911
(Rep. Filler)
A bill to amend 1998 PA 386, entitled "Estates and
protected individuals code," by amending sections
5303, 5304, 5306, 5306a, 5312, and 5416 (MCL
700.5303, 700.5304, 700.5306, 700.5306a,
700.5312, and 700.5416), section 5303 as
amended by 2017 PA 155, section 5306 as
amended by 2019 PA 170, section 5306a as added
by 2012 PA 173, and section 5312 as amended by
2000 PA 54.
HB 4912
(Rep. Borton)
A bill to amend 1998 PA 386, entitled "Estates and
protected individuals code," by amending sections
5414 and 5415 (MCL 700.5414 and 700.5415) and
by adding section 5312a.
HB 5047
(Rep. Coffia)
A bill to amend 1998 PA 386, entitled "Estates and
protected individuals code," by amending section
5106 (MCL 700.5106), as amended by 2017 PA
136, and by adding part 5A to article V.
At 10:42 AM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 10:43 AM, Majority Vice Chair Edwards called the committee back to order.
Chair Breen, Representative Tsernoglou, Representative Coffia, and Representative Filler
testified in support of HB 4909, HB 4910, HB 4911, HB 4912 and HB 5047. Questions and
discussion followed.
Attorney General Dana Nessel and Scott Teter representing the Michigan Department of
Attorney General testified in support of HB 4909, HB 4910, HB 4911, HB 4912 and HB
5047. Questions and discussion followed.
At 11:03 AM, Majority Vice Chair Edwards laid the committee at ease.
At 11:04 AM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
Christopher Smith representing the Elder Abuse Task Force testified in support of HB 4909,
HB 4910, HB 4911 and HB 4912.
Michelle Roberts representing the Disability Rights Michigan testified in support of HB
4909, HB 4910, HB 4911 and HB 4912.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4909, HB 4910, HB 4911, HB 4912
and HB 5047, but due to the time constraints were unable to speak:
Allison Hirschel, representing the Michigan Elder Justice Initiative.
Sally Pung, representing the Michigan Long Term Care Ombudsman Program.
Nichole Shannon, representing the Michigan Elder Justice Initiative.
The following people submitted a card with a neutral position on HB 4909, HB 4910, HB
4911 and HB 4912, but due to the time constraints were unable to speak:
Jody White, representing the Victims and Reform.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4909, HB 4910, HB 4911 and HB
4912, but due to the time constraints were unable to speak:
Rob Kennedy, representing the Michigan Guardianship Association.
Ruthann Jaquette, representing the Mid-Michigan Guardianship Services.
Shannon Tanis, representing the herself.
Tom Howe, representing the himself.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4909, but due to the time
constraints were unable to speak:
Genevieve Marnon, representing the Right to Life of Michigan.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4909, HB 4910, HB 4911, HB 4912
and HB 5047, but did not wish to speak:
Todd Tennis, representing the Alzheimer's Association.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4909, HB 4910, HB 4911 and HB
4912, but did not wish to speak:
Jason Lachowski, representing the AARP Michigan.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4909, HB 4910, HB 4911 and HB
4912, but did not wish to speak:
Anita Birman, representing the Guardianship Assistance of Michigan.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Breen adjourned the meeting at
11:59 AM.
Representative Kelly Breen, Chair
Melissa Sweet
Committee Clerk
msweet@house.mi.gov
Date Adopted: October 4,
2023


location: Room 519, House Office Building

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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND MUNICIPAL FINANCE
REP. JOHN FITZGERALD
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Wednesday, September 27, 2023
12:00 PM
Room 519, House Office Building
The House Committee on Local Government and Municipal Finance was called to order by
Chair Fitzgerald.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Fitzgerald, Byrnes, Shannon, Breen, Rogers, Hill, Hoskins, Paiz, Zorn,
Paquette, Bezotte, BeGole, Prestin.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Shannon moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 13, 2023.
There being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4346 before the committee:
HB 4346
(Rep. Coleman)
A bill to amend 1976 PA 267, entitled "Open
meetings act," by amending section 3a (MCL
15.263a), as amended by 2021 PA 54.
Representative Breen moved to report out HB 4346 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Fitzgerald, Byrnes, Shannon, Breen, Rogers, Hill, Hoskins, Paiz.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Zorn, Paquette, Bezotte, BeGole, Prestin.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4346, but did not wish to speak:
Noah Smith, representing the Michigan Association of Public Employee Retirement
Association.
The Chair laid HB 4921 before the committee:
HB 4921
(Rep. Fitzgerald)
A bill to amend 1949 PA 300, entitled "Michigan
vehicle code," by amending section 907 (MCL
257.907), as amended by 2023 PA 40, and by
adding sections 79g and 627c.
At 12:09 PM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 12:10 PM, Majority Vice Chair Byrnes called the committee back to order.
Representative Fitzgerald testified in support of HB 4921. Questions and discussion
followed.
At 12:38 PM, Majority Vice Chair Byrnes laid the committee at ease.
At 12:38 PM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4921, but did not wish to speak:
Kelly Ambercrombie, representing Blue Line Solutions.
Todd Scott, representing the Detroit Greenways Coalition.
Mike Spence, representing the Southeast Michigan Council of Governments.
John LaMacchia, representing the Michigan Municipal League.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Fitzgerald adjourned the
meeting at 12:39 PM.
Representative John Fitzgerald, Chair
Molly Wingrove
Committee Clerk
mwingrove@house.mi.gov


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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON TAX POLICY
REP. CYNTHIA NEELEY
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Wednesday, September 27, 2023
12:00 PM
Room 521, House Office Building
The House Committee on Tax Policy was called to order by Chair Neeley.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Neeley, Farhat, Brixie, Brenda Carter, Whitsett, Grant, Price,
VanWoerkom, Markkanen, Outman, Tisdel, Hoadley.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Farhat moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 13, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4966, HB 4967, HB 4968, HB 4969 and HB 4970 before the committee:
HB 4966
(Rep. Young)
A bill to provide for the authorization and levy of
a specific tax in lieu of certain ad valorem
property taxes for purposes of improving equity in
the taxation of property and to encourage the
development of property within the boundaries of
certain cities and local units of government; to
prescribe the powers, duties, and jurisdictions of
those cities and local units of government, and
certain local and state officials, in the
authorization and levy of the specific alternative
tax and for the administration of this act; to limit
the levy of certain ad valorem property taxes and
exempt certain property from the collection of
certain ad valorem property taxes within cities and
local units of government qualified to levy the
specific alternative tax; to regulate the levy,
collection, and distribution of the specific
alternative tax within the jurisdiction of each city
or local unit of government qualified to levy the
specific alternative tax; to create and provide for
the modification of certain credits and exemptions
against the specific alternative tax in certain
circumstances in order to enhance the equitable
purposes and objectives of this act; to provide for
the exemption from certain taxes; and to provide
for the powers and duties of certain state and local
governmental officers and entities.
HB 4967
(Rep. Whitsett)
A bill to amend 1893 PA 206, entitled "The
general property tax act," by amending sections 2,
78a, and 89b (MCL 211.2, 211.78a, and 211.89b),
section 2 as amended by 2002 PA 620, section 78a
as amended by 2014 PA 499, and section 89b as
amended by 2008 PA 512, and by adding section
7yy.
HB 4968
(Rep. Farhat)
A bill to amend 2003 PA 260, entitled "Tax
reverted clean title act," by amending section 5
(MCL 211.1025), as amended by 2016 PA 151.
HB 4969
(Rep. Young)
A bill to amend 1992 PA 147, entitled
"Neighborhood enterprise zone act," by amending
section 9 (MCL 207.779), as amended by 2005 PA
340.
HB 4970
(Rep. Young)
A bill to amend 1967 PA 281, entitled "Income tax
act of 1967," by amending section 512a (MCL
206.512a), as added by 2003 PA 28.
Brian Shoaf, representing the Detroit Regional Chamber, testified in support of HB 4966, HB
4967, HB 4968, HB 4969 and HB 4970.
Toinu Reeves testified in opposition to HB 4966, HB 4967, HB 4968, HB 4969 and HB 4970.
Questions and discussion followed.
Debra Mayfield Guilbeaux, representing Detroiters for Tax Justice, testified in opposition to
HB 4966, HB 4967, HB 4968, HB 4969 and HB 4970.
Russ Bellant, representing Detroiters for Tax Justice, testified in opposition to HB 4966, HB
4967, HB 4968, HB 4969 and HB 4970.
Theo Pride, representing Detroiters for Tax Justice, testified in opposition to HB 4966, HB
4967, HB 4968, HB 4969 and HB 4970.
Minnie Hyman, representing Detroiters for Tax Justice, testified in opposition to HB 4966,
HB 4967, HB 4968, HB 4969 and HB 4970.
Patricia Cortner, representing Detroiters for Tax Justice, testified in opposition to HB 4966,
HB 4967, HB 4968, HB 4969 and HB 4970.
Joyce E. Jennings, representing the Residents, Mothers, Children of Detroit, testified in
opposition to HB 4966, HB 4967, HB 4968, HB 4969 and HB 4970.
Jocelyn Harris, representing the Residents of Detroit, testified in opposition to HB 4966, HB
4967, HB 4968, HB 4969 and HB 4970.
Kinda Makini Anderson, representing the Residents of Detroit, testified in opposition to HB
4966, HB 4967, HB 4968, HB 4969 and HB 4970.
Cynthia A. Johnson, representing the Residents of Detroit, testified in opposition to HB 4966,
HB 4967, HB 4968, HB 4969 and HB 4970.
Santana Hill, Tom Choske, and Joanna Underwood, representing Detroit City
Councilmember Mary Waters, testified with a neutral position on HB 4966, HB 4967, HB
4968, HB 4969 and HB 4970.
The following person submitted a card with a neutral position on HB 4966, HB 4967, HB
4968, HB 4969 and HB 4970, but did not wish to speak:
Amanda West, representing the Michigan Department of Treasury.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4966, HB 4967, HB 4968, HB 4969
and HB 4970, but did not wish to speak:
Jacob Manning, representing the Small Business Association of Michigan.
John LaMacchia, representing the Michigan Municipal League.
Elizabeth Funches Core, Andrea Funches, Ora Brown-Davis, Carol Adams, and Jefferson
Chalmers, representing the Residents of Detroit.
McDougall Hunt Neighborhood Association.
East Canfield Chene Neighborhood Association.
Kenyatta Block Club.
Grassroots Detroiters 48207-11.
Peggy Noble, representing the College Park Block Club.
Cornerstone and Yorkshire Block Club Association.
Denby Alliance.
John Gromer, Lifeskills and Job-Rediness Coach with Too Many Incarcerations Detroit.
Bishop Edgar Vann, representing the Second Ebenezer Church.
Negus Vu, representing The Peoples Action Detroit.
Tefesi Brent, representing the Fellowship Chapel Detroit.
Pastor Nathan Caldwell, representing the Mount Vernon Missionary Baptist Church.
Pastor Robert Olive, representing the Detroit Chapter of Nation Outside.
Darryl Woods, Jr., representing Fighting the Good Fight.
Sheila Cockrel.
At 12:58 PM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 1:00 PM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
Representative Farhat moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4966. The motion prevailed 10-
1-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Neeley, Farhat, Brixie, Brenda Carter, Whitsett, Grant, Price, VanWoerkom,
Outman, Tisdel.
Nays: Rep. Markkanen.
Pass: None.
David Palmer, representing the Detroit City Council Equitable Task Force, testified with a
neutral position on HB 4966, HB 4967, HB 4968, HB 4969 and HB 4970.
The Chair laid HB 4979 before the committee:
HB 4979
(Rep. Hill)
A bill to amend 1893 PA 206, entitled "The
general property tax act," by amending section
10g (MCL 211.10g), as added by 2018 PA 660.
Representative Hill, Peter Morman and David Buick, representing the Michigan Department
of Treasury, testified in support of HB 4979.
At 1:11 PM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 1:13 PM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4979, but did not wish to speak:
Judy Allen, representing the Michigan Townships Association.
Representative Farhat offered the following amendment to HB 4979:
1. Amend page 11, line 28, after "or" by striking out "no" and inserting "an".
Representative Farhat moved to adopt the amendment to HB 4979. The motion prevailed 12-
0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Neeley, Farhat, Brixie, Brenda Carter, Whitsett, Grant, Price, VanWoerkom,
Markkanen, Outman, Tisdel, Hoadley.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Farhat moved to report out HB 4979 with recommendation, as amended, as
substitute (H-1) . The motion prevailed 7-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Neeley, Farhat, Brixie, Brenda Carter, Whitsett, Grant, Price.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. VanWoerkom, Markkanen, Outman, Tisdel, Hoadley.
The Chair laid HB 4724 before the committee:
HB 4724
(Rep. Price)
A bill to amend 1967 PA 281, entitled "Income tax
act of 1967," by amending sections 506, 520, 522,
and 530 (MCL 206.506, 206.520, 206.522, and
206.530), section 506 as amended by 1996 PA
484, sections 520 and 522 as amended by 2015 PA
179, and section 530 as amended by 2011 PA 38.
An amendment was adopted for HB 4724 at the September 13th, 2023 meeting.
Representative Price moved to report out HB 4724 with recommendation, as amended, as
substitute (H-1) . The motion prevailed 7-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Neeley, Farhat, Brixie, Brenda Carter, Whitsett, Grant, Price.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. VanWoerkom, Markkanen, Outman, Tisdel, Hoadley.
The committee returned to consideration of HB 4966, HB 4967, HB 4968, HB 4969, and HB
4970.
Representative Grant moved to report out HB 4966 with recommendation, as substitute (H-
1). The motion did not prevail 6-2-4:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Neeley, Farhat, Brixie, Brenda Carter, Whitsett, Price.
Nays: Reps. Outman, Hoadley.
Pass: Reps. Grant, VanWoerkom, Markkanen, Tisdel.
At 1:17 PM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 4:10 PM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
The Committee returned to consideration of HB 4966, HB 4967, HB 4968, HB 4969, and HB
4970.
Representative Farhat moved to reconsider the vote by which HB 4966, as substitute (H-1),
failed to be reported. The motion prevailed 7-5-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Neeley, Farhat, Brixie, Brenda Carter, Whitsett, Grant, Price.
Nays: Reps. VanWoerkom, Markkanen, Outman, Tisdel, Hoadley.
Pass: None.
Representative Grant moved to withdraw the motion to report HB 4966, as substitute (H-1).
There being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
Representative Grant offered the following amendment to the (H-1) substitute to HB 4966:
1. Amend page 8, following line 26, by inserting:
"(2) Upon the request of the city council, the governing body of a qualified city or
qualified local unit of government may adopt a resolution for the submission of a question to
its electors to approve a reduction, for the calendar year following approval by the electors, of
the maximum levy of the land value tax previously approved by the electors and the
reduction of the level of authorized ad valorem millage that may be designated as qualified
taxes. If a reduction in the levy of the land value tax is approved by the electors, the amount
of the reduction in the level of authorized ad valorem millage that may be designated as
qualified taxes must be determined at the conversion rate for the first year in which the
equivalent land value tax rate was imposed. If a reduction in the levy of the land value tax is
approved by the electors, the equivalent land tax rate reduction approved by the electors must
not be levied as part of the land value tax and the authorized ad valorem millage rate that is
no longer qualified to be designated as qualified taxes may be reimposed as an ad valorem
levy." and renumbering the remaining subsection.
Jay Rice, CFO for the City of Detroit, spoke to Representative Grant's amendment. Questions
and discussion followed.
Representative Grant moved to adopt the amendment to the (H-1) substitute to HB 4966. The
motion prevailed 7-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Neeley, Farhat, Brixie, Brenda Carter, Whitsett, Grant, Price.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. VanWoerkom, Markkanen, Outman, Tisdel, Hoadley.
Representative Farhat moved to report out HB 4966 with recommendation, as amended, as
substitute (H-2). The motion prevailed 7-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Neeley, Farhat, Brixie, Brenda Carter, Whitsett, Grant, Price.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. VanWoerkom, Markkanen, Outman, Tisdel, Hoadley.
Representative Farhat moved to report out HB 4967 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 7-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Neeley, Farhat, Brixie, Brenda Carter, Whitsett, Grant, Price.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. VanWoerkom, Markkanen, Outman, Tisdel, Hoadley.
Representative Brixie moved to report out HB 4968 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 7-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Neeley, Farhat, Brixie, Brenda Carter, Whitsett, Grant, Price.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. VanWoerkom, Markkanen, Outman, Tisdel, Hoadley.
Representative Farhat moved to report out HB 4969 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 7-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Neeley, Farhat, Brixie, Brenda Carter, Whitsett, Grant, Price.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. VanWoerkom, Markkanen, Outman, Tisdel, Hoadley.
Representative Farhat moved to report out HB 4970 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 7-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Neeley, Farhat, Brixie, Brenda Carter, Whitsett, Grant, Price.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. VanWoerkom, Markkanen, Outman, Tisdel, Hoadley.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Neeley adjourned the meeting at
4:18 PM.
Representative Cynthia Neeley, Chair
Edward Sleeper
Committee Clerk
esleeper@house.mi.gov


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MEMBERS:
SEN. KEVIN HERTEL, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. SYLVIA SANTANA
SEN. RICK OUTMAN, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON VETERANS AND
EMERGENCY SERVICES
SENATOR VERONICA KLINEFELT
CHAIR
6600 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7670
FAX: (517) 373-5958
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 27, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Veterans and Emergency Services was scheduled for Wednesday,
September 27, 2023, at 9:00 a.m., in the 1300 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Reported HB 4602 (Rep. Wilson) with recommendation.
2. Testimony regarding SB 388 (Sen. Klinefelt).
3. Testimony regarding SB 389 (Sen. Klinefelt).
The Chair called the meeting to order at 9:02 a.m. She instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Klinefelt, Sen.(s) Hertel and Outman, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Hertel to adopt the meeting minutes from September 13, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair moved to excuse absent members from the meeting. Without objection, Sen. Santana was excused
from the meeting.
The Chair brought up HB 4602.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Outman to report HB 4602 to the floor with recommendation that the
bill pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Klinefelt, Sen.(s) Hertel and Outman
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
At 9:03 a.m., Sen. Hertel left the meeting. A quorum was no longer present.
The Chair brought up SB 388 and the (S-1) version of SB 389, and summarize the bills for the committee.
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The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB’s 388 and 389:
DeaSean Ashby, Michigan Credit Union League – Support
Ross Yednock, Michigan Department of Insurance and Financial Services – Support SB 388
Rob Mass, Michigan Department of Treasury - Support
The cards were read of those individuals not wishing to present testimony regarding SB’s 388-389:
Heather Feuerstein, Michigan Department of Military and Veterans Affairs - Support
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 9:13 a.m.
Date adopted by committee: 10/04/2023
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MEMBERS:
SEN. JEREMY MOSS, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. SEAN MCCANN
SEN. ROSEMARY BAYER
SEN. JEFF IRWIN
SEN. MARK HUIZENGA, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. LANA THEIS
SEN. KEVIN DALEY
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON FINANCE, INSURANCE,
AND CONSUMER PROTECTION
SENATOR MARY CAVANAGH
CHAIR
6500 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7748
FAX: (517) 373-1387
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 27, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Finance, Insurance, and Consumer Protection was scheduled for
Wednesday, September 27, 2023, at 12:30 p.m., in the 1200 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Reported SB 483 (S-1) (Sen. Camilleri) with recommendation.
2. Reported SB 484 (Sen. Klinefelt) with recommendation.
3. Reported SB 485 (Sen. McDonald Rivet) with recommendation.
4. Testimony regarding HB 4376 (Rep. Carter).
5. Testimony regarding SB 175 (Sen. Santana).
The Chair called the meeting to order at 12:59 p.m.. She instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Cavanagh, Sen.(s) Moss, McCann, Bayer, Irwin, Huizenga, Theis and
Daley, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Moss to adopt the meeting minutes from September 20, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Irwin to adopt the (S-1) version of SB 483. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Cavanagh, Sen.(s) Moss, McCann, Bayer, and Irwin.
Nays: Sen.(s) Huizenga, Theis, and Daley.
The motion prevailed and the (S-1) was adopted.
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 483:
Terry Wilcox, Patients Rising Now – Opposition
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 483, SB
484 and SB 485:
Brianna Romines, Epilepsy Foundation of Michigan – Opposition
Wendy Block, Michigan Chamber of Commerce – Opposition
Matt Black, Michigan Academy of Family Physicians – Support
Dave Worthams, Michigan Manufacturers Association – Opposition
Elizabeth Kutter, Michigan Health and Hospital Association – Opposition
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The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Bayer to report the (S-1) version of SB 483 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Cavanagh, Sen.(s) Moss, McCann, Bayer, and Irwin.
Nays: Sen.(s) Theis and Daley.
Pass: Sen.(s) Huizenga.
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Irwin to report SB 484 to the floor with recommendation that it pass.
The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Cavanagh, Sen.(s) Moss, McCann, Bayer, and Irwin.
Nays: Sen.(s) Theis and Daley.
Pass: Sen.(s) Huizenga.
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Moss to report SB 485 to the floor with recommendation that it pass.
The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Cavanagh, Sen.(s) Moss, McCann, Bayer, and Irwin.
Nays: Sen.(s) Theis and Daley.
Pass: Sen.(s) Huizenga.
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding HB 4376:
Jonathon Wertheimer, The office of Rep. Carter – Support
Joseph Sullivan, Michigan Department of Insurance and Financial Services – Support
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding HB 4376:
Chuck May, National Association of Insurance and Financial Advisors – Support
Alex Houseman, Big I Michigan – Support
Marcia Hune, Life Insurance Association of Michigan – Support
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 175:
Sen. Sylvia Santana – Support
Alvin Horhn, City of Detroit Assessor's Office – No Position
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 175:
Rob Mass, Michigan Department of Treasury – Neutral
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 1:38 p.m.
Date adopted by committee: 10/06/23
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MEMBERS:
SEN. SYLVIA SANTANA, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. PAUL WOJNO
SEN. JOHN CHERRY
SEN. VERONICA KLINEFELT
SEN. ERIKA GEISS
SEN. MICHAEL WEBBER, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. ROGER HAUCK
SEN. MARK HUIZENGA
SEN. JIM RUNESTAD
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON HEALTH POLICY
SENATOR KEVIN HERTEL
CHAIR
7600 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7315
FAX: (517) 373-3126
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 27, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Health Policy was scheduled for Wednesday, September 27, 2023, at
12:30 p.m., in the 1100 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Testimony regarding SB 57 (Sen. Chang).
2. Testimony regarding SB 58 (Sen. Bellino).
3. Testimony regarding HB 4071 (Rep. Steckloff).
4. Reported SB 513 (Sen. McBroom) with recommendation.
5. Reported SB 133 (S-1) (Sen. McCann) with recommendation.
6. Reported HB 4623 (Rep. Koleszar) with recommendation.
7. Reported HB 4619 (Rep. Rogers) with recommendation.
8. Reported HB 4620 (Rep. Edwards) with recommendation.
9. Reported HB 4621 (Rep. Fitzgerald) with recommendation.
10. Reported HB 4622 (Rep. Miller) with recommendation.
Due to Senate Session, the committee was delayed.
The Chair called the meeting to order at 12:58 p.m. He instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Hertel, Sen.(s) Santana, Wojno, Cherry, Klinefelt, Geiss, Webber,
Hauck, Huizenga, and Runestad, a quorum was present.
The Chair invited Sen.(s) Chang and Bellino to summarize SB 57 and SB 58.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 57 and SB 58:
Sylvia Gucken, Whip-It Wipeout Coalition – Support
Brandi Watts, Whip-It Wipeout Coalition – Support
Goya Diaz, Detroit Hispanic Development Corporation – Support
Commander Holderbaum and Officer Kellog, Detroit Police Department – Support
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 57 and
SB 58:
Kate Dorsey, Michigan State Medical Society – Support
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The Chair invited Rep. Steckloff to summarize HB 4071.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding HB 4071:
Dr. Jerome Seid, Michigan Society of Hematology and Oncology – Support
Lauren Edwards, Leukemia and Lymphoma Society – Support
Molly Medenblik, American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network – Support
Megan Landry and Adrienne Meyer, American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network – Support
Bret Jackson, Economic Alliance for Michigan – Oppose
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding HB 4071:
Dave Worthams, Michigan Manufacturers Association – Support
Melissa Bowie, Takeda Pharmaceuticals – Support
Kate Dorsey, Michigan State Medical Society – Support
Ken Fletcher, American Lung Association – Support
Christine Shearer, Michigan Association of Health Plans – Neutral
The Chair invited Sen. McBroom to summarize SB 513.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 513:
Hunter Nostrant, Helen Newberry Joy Hospital – Support
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 513:
Adam Carlson, Michigan Health and Hospital Association – Support
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Webber to report SB 513 to the floor with recommendation that it pass.
The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Hertel, Sen.(s) Santana, Wojno, Cherry, Klinefelt, Geiss, Webber, Hauck, Huizenga, and
Runestad
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair offered, and summarized, an (S-1) version of SB 133.
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 133:
Adam Carlson, Michigan Health and Hospital Association – Support
Sam Gibson, Michigan Association of Counties – Support
Kate Dorsey, Michigan State Medical Society – Support
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Cherry to adopt the (S-1) version of SB 133. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Hertel, Sen.(s) Santana, Wojno, Cherry, Klinefelt, Geiss, Webber, Hauck, Huizenga, and
Runestad
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the (S-1) was adopted.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Klinefelt to report the (S-1) version of SB 133 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Hertel, Sen.(s) Santana, Wojno, Cherry, Klinefelt, Geiss, Webber, Hauck, and Huizenga
Nays: None
Pass: Sen. Runestad
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
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The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding HB 4619,
HB 4620, HB 4621, HB 4622, and HB 4623:
Dana Lasenby, Oakland Community Health Network – Support
Heather Nicholoff, Michigan Council of Nurse Practitioners – Support
Bret Jackson, Economic Alliance for Michigan – Support
Todd Tennis, Center for Civil Justice – Support
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding 4623:
Rebecca Mastee, Michigan Catholic Conference – Oppose
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding HB 4619
and HB 4620:
Melina Brann, NASW-MI – Support
Sen. Hauck offered a Hauck Amendment to HB 4623.
The Chair invited Sen. Hauck to summarize the Hauck Amendment to HB 4623.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Hauck to adopt the Hauck amendment to HB 4623. The vote was as
follows:
Yeas: Sen.(s) Webber, Hauck, Huizenga, and Runestad
Nays: Chair Hertel, Sen.(s) Santana, Wojno, Cherry, Klinefelt, and Geiss
The motion failed and the amendment was not adopted.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Wojno to report HB 4623 to the floor with recommendation that it pass.
The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Hertel, Sen.(s) Santana, Wojno, Cherry, Klinefelt, and Geiss
Nays: Sen.(s) Webber, Hauck, Huizenga, and Runestad
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Santana to report HB 4619 to the floor with recommendation that it
pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Hertel, Sen.(s) Santana, Wojno, Cherry, Klinefelt, Geiss, and Webber
Nays: Sen.(s) Hauck, Huizenga, and Runestad
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Wojno to report HB 4620 to the floor with recommendation that it pass.
The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Hertel, Sen.(s) Santana, Wojno, Cherry, Klinefelt, Geiss, and Webber
Nays: Sen.(s) Hauck, Huizenga, and Runestad
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Cherry to report HB 4621 to the floor with recommendation that it pass.
The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Hertel, Sen.(s) Santana, Wojno, Cherry, Klinefelt, Geiss, and Webber
Nays: Sen.(s) Hauck and Huizenga
Pass: Sen. Runestad
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
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The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Geiss to report HB 4622 to the floor with recommendation that it pass.
The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Hertel, Sen.(s) Santana, Wojno, Cherry, Klinefelt, Geiss, and Webber
Nays: Sen.(s) Hauck, Huizenga, and Runestad
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 2:18 p.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: October 4, 2023
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MEMBERS:
SEN. PAUL WOJNO, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. SYLVIA SANTANA
SEN. MALLORY MCMORROW
SEN. STEPHANIE CHANG
SEN. DARRIN CAMILLERI
SEN. RUTH JOHNSON, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. EDWARD MCBROOM
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON ELECTIONS AND ETHICS
SENATOR JEREMY MOSS
CHAIR
132 CAPITOL BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7888
FAX: (517) 373-2983
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 27, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Elections and Ethics was scheduled for Wednesday, September 27, 2023,
at 3:00 p.m., in the 1100 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Testimony regarding SB 529 (Sen. Moss).
2. Testimony regarding SB 494 (Sen. Santana).
The Chair called the meeting to order at 3:01 p.m.. He instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Moss, Sen.(s) Wojno, Santana, McMorrow, Chang, Camilleri, Johnson
and McBroom, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. McMorrow to adopt September 13, 2023 committee meeting minutes.
Without objection, committee minutes were adopted.
The Chair testified on Senate Bill 529. Member questions followed.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 529:
Lata Nott, Campaign Legal Center – Support
Michael Parsons, Election Reformers Network – Support
Erica Peresman, Promote The Vote – Support
Erin Schor, MI Department of State – Support
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 529:
Ricky Servantez Bicknell, Voters Not Politicians – Support
Sheri Ritchie, Pure Integrity Michigan Elections, Freedom Alliance – Neutral
Matt Patton, Protect Democracy – Support
At 3:26 p.m. Senator Camilleri left the meeting.
The Chair invited Senator Santana to summarize Senate Bill 494. Member questions followed.
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The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 494:
Kim Murphy-Kovalick, Voters Not Politicians – Support
Rodney Austin, MLCV – Support
Percy Glover, FAIR Voting Alliance – Support
Charles Thomas, 'When You Vote I Win' – Support
Walter Miller, Voting Access for All Coalition – Support
Erica Peresman, Promote the Vote – Support
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 494:
Latta Nott, Campaign Legal Center – Support
Merissa Kovach, ACLU of Michigan – Support
Anne Kuhnen, MI League for Public Policy – Support
Ricky Servantez Bicknell, Voters Not Politicians – Support
Sheri Ritchie, Pure Integrity MI Elections; The Freedom Alliance – Neutral
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 4:08 p.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: October 4, 2023
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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON HEALTH POLICY
REP. JULIE M. ROGERS
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, September 28, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 519, House Office Building
The House Committee on Health Policy was called to order by Chair Rogers.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Rogers, Whitsett, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia,
Conlin, Farhat, Fitzgerald, Miller, Rheingans, VanderWall, Filler, Mueller, VanWoerkom,
Roth, Schmaltz, Thompson.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Farhat moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 20, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4885 and HB 4923 before the committee:
HB 4885
(Rep. McKinney)
A bill to amend 1978 PA 368, entitled "Public
health code," by amending sections 21907, 21909,
21911, 21913, 21915, 21919, 21921, and 21923
(MCL 333.21907, 333.21909, 333.21911,
333.21913, 333.21915, 333.21919, 333.21921,
and 333.21923), sections 21907, 21909, 21913,
21915, 21919, 21921, and 21923 as added by
2017 PA 172 and section 21911 as amended by
2022 PA 79, and by adding sections 21912, 21916,
21918, and 21920.
HB 4923
(Rep. Aragona)
A bill to amend 1978 PA 368, entitled "Public
health code," by amending sections 21903 and
21905 (MCL 333.21903 and 333.21905), as added
by 2017 PA 172.
Representative Brenda Carter moved to refer HB 4885 to the Committee on Regulatory
Reform. The motion prevailed 15-0-1:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Rogers, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia, Conlin, Farhat,
Fitzgerald, Miller, VanderWall, Mueller, Roth, Schmaltz, Thompson.
Nays: None.
Pass: Rep. Rheingans.
Representative Brenda Carter moved to refer HB 4923 to the Committee on Regulatory
Reform. The motion prevailed 15-0-1:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Rogers, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia, Conlin, Farhat,
Fitzgerald, Miller, VanderWall, Mueller, Roth, Schmaltz, Thompson.
Nays: None.
Pass: Rep. Rheingans.
At 10:35 AM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 10:37 AM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
The Chair laid HB 4101 before the committee:
HB 4101
(Rep. VanderWall)
A bill to amend 1978 PA 368, entitled "Public
health code," by amending section 17609 (MCL
333.17609), as amended by 2010 PA 304.
Representative VanderWall and Kelli Pierce, representing the Michigan Speech-Language-
Hearing Association, testified together in support of HB 4101. Questions and discussion
followed.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4101, but did not wish to speak:
Elizabeth Kutter, representing the Michigan Health and Hospital Association.
Marnie Triemstra, representing the Michigan Department of Licensing and Regulatory
Affairs.
Chair Rogers laid before the committee a presentation on Maternal and Infant Health and
Disparities in Outcomes in Michigan.
Amy Zaagman, Executive Director, of the Michigan Council for Maternal and Child Health,
gave a presentation to the committee.
Sarah Bryant and Effie Alofoje-Carr, representing the Nurse Family Partnership, gave a
presentation to the committee.
Dr. Alane Laws-Barker OB-GYN, representing herself, gave a presentation to the committee.
Tatiana Omolo, representing Mothering Justice, gave a presentation to the committee.
Cassy Jones-McBride, representing the Michigan Chamber for Reproductive Justice, gave a
presentation to the committee.
Questions and discussion followed.
The Chair laid SB 384 before the committee:
SB 384
(Sen. Hertel)
A bill to amend 1956 PA 218, entitled "The
insurance code of 1956," (MCL 500.100 to
500.8302) by adding sections 3406z, 3901a, and
4002.
Kelly Stec, Chief of Staff for Senator Hertel, testified in support of SB 384.
Dr. Mona Doshi, representing the University of Michigan, testified in support of SB 384.
Erich Ditschman, representing himself and the National Kidney Foundation, testified in
support of SB 384.
David Galbeski and Mark Dybis, representing themselves, testified in support of SB 384.
The following people submitted a card in support of SB 384, but did not wish to speak:
Sam Champagne, representing Henry Ford Health.
Patrick Wells-O'Brien, representing Gift of Life Michigan.
Joseph Sullivan, representing the Michigan Department of Insurance and Financial
Services.
Nick Leto, representing the National Down Syndrome Society.
Sean Gehle and Autumn Outman, representing Trinity Health - Michigan.
Marcia Hune, representing the Life Insurance Association of Michigan.
Elizabeth Kutter, representing the Michigan Health & Hospital Association.
Mandy Botter, representing the American Kidney Fund.
Danielle Sirianni, representing the National Kidney Foundation of Michigan.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Rogers adjourned the meeting at
12:00 PM.
Representative Julie M. Rogers, Chair
Melissa Sweet
Committee Clerk
msweet@house.mi.gov


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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON INSURANCE AND FINANCIAL SERVICES
REP. BRENDA CARTER
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, September 28, 2023
9:00 AM
Room 521, House Office Building
The House Committee on Insurance and Financial Services was called to order by Chair
Brenda Carter.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Brenda Carter, McFall, Coleman, Stone, Breen, Rogers, Scott, Fitzgerald,
Grant, Harris, Markkanen, Bezotte, Aragona, Bruck, Neyer, Smit.
Absent: Rep. Young.
Excused: Rep. Young.
Representative Scott moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 14, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid SB 356, SB 357 and SB 358 before the committee:
SB 356
(Sen. Hertel)
A bill to amend 1956 PA 218, entitled "The
insurance code of 1956," by amending section
2212a (MCL 500.2212a), as amended by 2016 PA
276.
SB 357
(Sen. Cavanagh)
A bill to amend 1956 PA 218, entitled "The
insurance code of 1956," by amending section
2213b (MCL 500.2213b), as amended by 2016 PA
276, and by adding section 2213e.
SB 358
(Sen. Klinefelt)
A bill to amend 1956 PA 218, entitled "The
insurance code of 1956," (MCL 500.100 to
500.8302) by adding section 3406z.
Representative Breen moved to report out SB 356 with recommendation. The motion did not
prevail 8-0-7:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Brenda Carter, McFall, Coleman, Stone, Breen, Rogers, Scott, Fitzgerald.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Harris, Markkanen, Bezotte, Aragona, Bruck, Neyer, Smit.
Representative Breen moved to report out SB 357 with recommendation. The motion did not
prevail 8-0-7:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Brenda Carter, McFall, Coleman, Stone, Breen, Rogers, Scott, Fitzgerald.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Harris, Markkanen, Bezotte, Aragona, Bruck, Neyer, Smit.
Representative Rogers offered the following amendments to SB 358:
1. Amend page 2, line 12, after "is" by striking out the balance of the subsection and inserting
"the de minimis variation as described in 45 CFR 156.140.".
2. Amend page 3, line 21, after "2213b," by striking out "or to".
3. Amend page 3, line 22, after "147.140" by inserting a comma and "or a catastrophic plan
as described in 45 CFR 156.155".
Representative Rogers moved to adopt the amendments to SB 358. The motion prevailed 16-
0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Brenda Carter, McFall, Coleman, Stone, Breen, Rogers, Scott, Fitzgerald,
Grant, Harris, Markkanen, Bezotte, Aragona, Bruck, Neyer, Smit.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Rogers moved to report SB 358 as amended, as substitute (H-1). The motion
prevailed 9-0-7:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Brenda Carter, McFall, Coleman, Stone, Breen, Rogers, Scott, Fitzgerald,
Grant.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Harris, Markkanen, Bezotte, Aragona, Bruck, Neyer, Smit.
The chair laid before the committee a presentation from the Department of Insurance and
Financial Services.
Joseph Sullivan, the Legislative Liaison Manager for the Department of Insurance and
Financial Services, and Parker Fisher, the Insurance Legislative Liaison for the Department
of Insurance and Financial Services gave a presentation. Questions and discussion followed.
There being no further business before the committee, Representative Coleman moved to
adjourn. Chair Brenda Carter adjourned the meeting at 10:02.
Representative Brenda Carter, Chair
Justin Easter
Committee Clerk
jeaster@house.mi.gov


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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON LABOR
REP. JIM HAADSMA
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, September 28, 2023
9:00 AM
Room 326, House Office Building
The House Committee on Labor was called to order by Chair Haadsma.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Haadsma, Mentzer, Koleszar, O'Neal, Andrews, Churches, Wegela,
Wozniak, Mueller, Kunse.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Wegela moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 14, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid SB 185 before the committee:
SB 185
(Sen. Irwin)
A bill to amend 1947 PA 336, entitled "An act to
prohibit strikes by certain public employees; to
provide review from disciplinary action with
respect thereto; to provide for the mediation of
grievances and the holding of elections; to declare
and protect the rights and privileges of public
employees; to require certain provisions in
collective bargaining agreements; to prescribe
means of enforcement and penalties for the
violation of the provisions of this act; and to make
appropriations," by amending section 1 (MCL
423.201), as amended by 2014 PA 414.
The following person submitted a card in support of SB 185, but did not wish to speak:
Dr. David Michelson, representing the Michigan Education Association.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to SB 185, but did not wish to speak:
Daniel Hurley, representing the Michigan Association of State Universities.
Representative Mentzer moved to report out SB 185 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 7-3-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Haadsma, Mentzer, Koleszar, O'Neal, Andrews, Churches, Wegela.
Nays: Reps. Wozniak, Mueller, Kunse.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 4960 before the committee:
HB 4960
(Rep. Snyder)
A bill to amend 1976 PA 453, entitled "Elliott-
Larsen civil rights act," by amending section 205a
(MCL 37.2205a), as amended by 1999 PA 202.
Representative Koleszar moved to refer HB 4960 to the Committee on Criminal Justice. The
motion prevailed 8-1-1:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Haadsma, Mentzer, Koleszar, O'Neal, Andrews, Churches, Wegela, Mueller.
Nays: Rep. Kunse.
Pass: Rep. Wozniak.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Haadsma adjourned the meeting
at 9:04 AM.
Representative Jim Haadsma, Chair
Edward Sleeper
Committee Clerk
esleeper@house.mi.gov


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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES, ENVIRONMENT, TOURISM AND OUTDOOR
RECREATION
REP. LAURIE POHUTSKY
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, September 28, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 327, House Office Building
The House Committee on Natural Resources, Environment, Tourism and Outdoor Recreation
was called to order by Chair Pohutsky.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Pohutsky, Hill, Shannon, Arbit, McFall, Paiz, Martin, Prestin, Schriver.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Paiz moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 21, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4359 before the committee:
HB 4359
(Rep. Brabec)
A bill to repeal 2016 PA 389, entitled "An act to
preempt local ordinances regulating the use,
disposition, or sale of, prohibiting or restricting, or
imposing any fee, charge, or tax on certain
containers," (MCL 445.591 to 445.593).
Representative Brabec and John Fournier, the Deputy City Manager of Ann Arbor, testified in
support of HB 4359. Questions and discussion followed.
Tim Minotas, representing the Sierra Club of Michigan, testified in support of HB 4359.
Chris Semrinec, representing the Michigan League of Conservation Voters, testified in
support of HB 4359.
John McNamara, representing the Michigan Restaurant and Lodging Association, testified in
opposition of HB 4359. Questions and discussion followed.
Amy Drumm, representing the Michigan Retailers Association, testified in opposition of HB
4359. Questions and discussion followed.
Caroline Liethen, representing the Michigan Manufactures Association, and AnnMarie
Treglia, representing the Dart Container Company, testified in opposition of HB 4359.
Questions and discussion followed.
Barb Farrah, representing Zach Taylor of the American Recyclable Plastic Bag Alliance,
testified in opposition of HB 4359.
Samantha Pickering and Charlotte Jameson, both representing the Michigan Environmental
Council, testified in support of HB 4359. Questions and discussion followed.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4359, but did not wish to speak:
Mike Spence, representing the Southeast Michigan Council of Governments.
Horst Schmidt, representing the Upper Peninsula Environmental Council.
Judy Allen, representing the Michigan Township Association.
Jen Rigterink, representing the Michigan Municipal League.
Blake Goodman, representing the Humane Society of the United States.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4359, but did not wish to speak:
Matthew Miner, representing the Midwest Independent Retailers Association.
Mike Alaimo, representing the Michigan Chamber of Commerce.
Jami Des Chenes, representing the Michigan Chemistry Council.
Carlos Gutierrez, representing the Consumer Health Products Association.
Tim Langholz, representing the National Federation of Independent Business.
Derek Bajema, representing the Michigan Soft Drink Association.
Patrick Harrington, representing the Blue Triton Brands.
The Chair laid SB 26 before the committee:
SB 26
(Sen. Chang)
A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled "Natural
resources and environmental protection act,"
(MCL 324.101 to 324.90106) by adding section
5534.
Representative Shannon moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to SB 26. The motion prevailed 8-1-
0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Pohutsky, Hill, Shannon, Arbit, McFall, Paiz, Martin, Prestin.
Nays: Rep. Schriver.
Pass: None.
Representative Martin offered the following amendment to SB 26, as substitute (H-1):
1. Amend page 4, following line 7, by inserting:
"(6)Members of the advisory committee are appointed by the director of the
department. A majority of the members of the advisory committee constitute a quorum for the
transaction of business at a meeting of the committee. A majority of the members present and
serving are required for official action of the committee. The business that the committee may
perform shall be conducted at a public meeting of the committee held in compliance with the
open meetings act, 1976 PA 267, MCL 15.261 to 15.275. A writing prepared, owned, used, in
the possession of, or retained by the committee in the performance of an official function is
subject to the freedom of information act, 1976 PA 442, MCL 15.231 to 15.246. Members of
the committee shall serve without compensation. The committee shall annually submit to the
legislature a report on committee activities and project recommendations". and renumbering
the remaining subsections.
Representative Martin moved to adopt the amendment to SB 26, as substitute (H-1). The
motion did not prevail 3-6-0:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Martin, Prestin, Schriver.
Nays: Reps. Pohutsky, Hill, Shannon, Arbit, McFall, Paiz.
Pass: None.
Representative Arbit moved to report out SB 26 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 6-3-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Pohutsky, Hill, Shannon, Arbit, McFall, Paiz.
Nays: Reps. Martin, Prestin, Schriver.
Pass: None.
The following people submitted a card in support of SB 26, but did not wish to speak:
Chris Semrinec, representing the Michigan League of Conservation Voters.
Travis Boeskool, representing the Michigan Department of Environment, Great Lakes
and Energy.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to SB 26, but did not wish to speak:
John Boothroyd, representing the Michigan Sugar Company.
Mike Alaimo, representing the Michigan Chamber of Commerce.
Caroline Liethen, representing the Michigan Manufactures Association.
The Chair laid SB 103, SB 104 and SB 105 before the committee:
SB 103
(Sen. Cherry)
A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled "Natural
resources and environmental protection act,"
(MCL 324.101 to 324.90106) by adding sections
48714a and 48714b.
SB 104
(Sen. Daley)
A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled "Natural
resources and environmental protection act,"
(MCL 324.101 to 324.90106) by adding sections
43528c and 43528d.
SB 105
(Sen. McCann)
A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled "Natural
resources and environmental protection act," by
amending section 40113a (MCL 324.40113a), as
amended by 2016 PA 382.
Amendments were adopted to SB 103 at the September 21st, 2023 meeting.
Representative Paiz moved to report out SB 103 with recommendation, as amended. The
motion prevailed 8-1-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Pohutsky, Hill, Shannon, Arbit, McFall, Paiz, Martin, Prestin.
Nays: Rep. Schriver.
Pass: None.
Representative Shannon moved to report out SB 104 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 8-1-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Pohutsky, Hill, Shannon, Arbit, McFall, Paiz, Martin, Prestin.
Nays: Rep. Schriver.
Pass: None.
At 11:32 AM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 11:32 AM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
Joyce Janicki, representing herself, testified in opposition of SB 105.
Representative McFall moved to report out SB 105 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 8-1-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Pohutsky, Hill, Shannon, Arbit, McFall, Paiz, Martin, Prestin.
Nays: Rep. Schriver.
Pass: None.
The following people submitted a card in support of SB 103, SB 104 and SB 105, but did not
wish to speak:
Taylor Ridderbusch, representing the Michigan Department of Natural Resources.
Mark Spencer, representing the Michigan Trappers and Predator Caller Association.
The Chair laid HB 4325 before the committee:
HB 4325
(Rep. Scott)
A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled "Natural
resources and environmental protection act," by
amending section 8905a (MCL 324.8905a), as
amended by 2014 PA 549.
Representative Scott testified in support of HB 4325. Questions and discussion followed.
Jon Cool, representing the Michigan Railroads Association, testified in support of HB 4325.
C.A. Johnson, representing herself, testified in support of HB 4325.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4325, but did not wish to speak:
Charlotte Jameson, representing the Michigan Environmental Council.
Judy Allen, representing the Michigan Township Association.
Herasanna Richards, representing the Michigan Municipal League.
Chris Semrinec, representing the Michigan League of Conservation Voters.
Travis Boeskool, representing the Michigan Department of Environment, Great Lakes
and Energy.
Caroline Liethen, representing the Michigan Manufactures Association.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Pohutsky adjourned the meeting
at 11:43 AM.
Representative Laurie Pohutsky, Chair
Legan Rose
Committee Clerk
LRose@house.mi.gov


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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND SMALL BUSINESS SUBCOMMITTEE ON
HOUSING
REP. KEVIN COLEMAN
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, September 28, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 326, House Office Building
The House Economic Development and Small Business Subcommittee on Housing was
called to order by Chair Coleman.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Coleman, Dievendorf, Stone, Andrews, Grant, Tsernoglou, Aragona, Zorn,
Fink, DeBoyer.
Absent: Rep. Scott.
Excused: Rep. Scott.
Representative Stone moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 14, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4919 before the committee:
HB 4919
(Rep. Dievendorf)
A bill to establish a bill of rights for the homeless;
and to provide a remedy for violation of those
rights.
Representative Dievendorf testified in support of HB 4919. Questions and discussion
followed.
Mike Karl, representing the Cardboard Prophets, testified in support of HB 4919.
Jason Gray, representing the SDA Homeless Outreach, testified in support of HB 4919.
William Walken testified in support of HB 4919.
Kelsey Brianne, representing For Our Future and the Rent is Too Damn High, testified in
support of HB 4919.
Kyle Richard, representing the Rent is Too Damn High, testified in support of HB 4919.
Gabriel Biber, representing the Haven House and the Capitol Region Housing Collaboration,
testified in support of HB 4919.
Greg Pratt, representing the SDA Homeless Outreach, testified in support of HB 4919.
Linda Karl, representing the Cardboard Prophets, testified in support of HB 4919.
William Rodriguez testified in support of HB 4919.
Brandy Edwards, representing the Homeless Community, testified in support of HB 4919.
Christial Sierra, representing Angel Hands Community Outreach, testified in support of HB
4919.
Jonathan Evans, representing the Unhoused Citizen, testified in support of HB 4919.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4919, but due to the time constraints
were unable to speak:
Elana N. Dixon.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4919, but did not wish to speak:
Julie Cassidy, representing the Michigan League for Public Policy.
Noah Hawkins, representing the Rent is Too Damn High.
Heath B. Lowry, representing the Michigan Coalition to End Domestic and Sexual
Violence.
Jim Schaafsma, representing the Michigan Poverty Law Program.
Tony Gant, representing Nation Outside.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to HB 4919, but did not wish to speak:
Tim Langholz, representing the National Federation of Independent Businesses.
Representative Aragona moved to excuse Representative Scott from the meeting. There being
no objection the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
There being no further business before the subcommittee, Chair Coleman adjourned the
meeting at 11:36 AM.
Representative Kevin Coleman, Chair
Nicholas Gewirtz
Acting Committee Clerk
ngewirtz@house.mi.gov