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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
REP. ANGELA WITWER
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Wednesday, September 20,
2023
8:30
AM
Room 352, House Appropriations, State Capitol
Building
The House Committee on Appropriations was called to order by Chair Witwer.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson, Lightner, Bollin, Green, Slagh,
Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette, Steele.
Absent: Rep. Hood.
Excused: Rep. Hood.
Representative Green joined the committee remotely.
Representative O'Neal moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 19, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
Representative O'Neal moved to excuse Representative Hood from the meeting. There being no
objection the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4988 and HB 4989 before the committee:
HB 4988
(Rep. Martus)
A bill to amend 1937 PA 284, entitled "An act to
prevent the spread of infectious and contagious
diseases of livestock; to require persons,
associations, partnerships and corporations
engaged in the buying, receiving, selling,
transporting, exchanging, negotiating, or soliciting
sale, resale, exchange or transportation of
livestock to be licensed and bonded by the
department of agriculture; to keep a producers'
proceeds account; to provide for the refusal,
suspension or revocation of such licenses; to
provide for weighmasters; to provide for the
inspection and disinfection of yards, premises and
vehicles; and to provide penalties for the violation
of this act," by amending section 3 (MCL
287.123), as amended by 2019 PA 86.
HB 4989
(Rep. Martus)
A bill to amend 2000 PA 92, entitled "Food law,"
by amending sections 3119, 4103, and 4117 (MCL
289.3119, 289.4103, and 289.4117), sections 3119
and 4103 as amended by 2018 PA 92 and section
4117 as amended by 2012 PA 178.
Bill Hamilton, representing the House Fiscal Agency, testified on HB 4988 and HB 4989.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to HB 4988, but did not wish to speak:
Brian Shoaf, representing the Detroit Regional Chamber.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4989, but did not wish to speak:
John McNamara, representing the Michigan Restaurant and Lodging Association.
Brian Shoaf, representing the Detroit Regional Chamber.
Tim Langholz, representing the National Federation of Independent Business.
Representative Martus moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4988. The motion prevailed 16-11-
0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative O'Neal moved to report out HB 4988 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 16-11-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Martus moved to adopt substitute (H-3) to HB 4989. The motion prevailed 16-11-
0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Brixie moved to report out HB 4989 with recommendation, as substitute (H-3).
The motion prevailed 16-11-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 4990 and HB 4991 before the committee:
HB 4990
(Rep. Brabec)
A bill to amend 1949 PA 300, entitled "Michigan
vehicle code," by amending sections 208b, 217a,
232, 801, 802, 803b, 803r, 804, 806, and 809
(MCL 257.208b, 257.217a, 257.232, 257.801,
257.802, 257.803b, 257.803r, 257.804, 257.806,
and 257.809), section 208b as amended by 2020
PA 382, sections 217a, 803b, 803r, and 806 as
amended by 2019 PA 88, section 232 as amended
by 2022 PA 223, section 801 as amended by 2020
PA 103, section 802 as amended by 2021 PA 110,
section 804 as amended by 2022 PA 143, and
section 809 as amended by 2020 PA 102.
HB 4991
(Rep. Brabec)
A bill to amend 1972 PA 222, entitled "An act to
provide for an official personal identification card;
to provide for its form, issuance and use; to
regulate the use and disclosure of information
obtained from the card; to prescribe the powers
and duties of the secretary of state; to prescribe
fees; to prescribe certain penalties for violations;
and to provide an appropriation for certain
purposes," by amending section 7 (MCL 28.297),
as amended by 2019 PA 80.
Michael Cnossen, representing the House Fiscal Agency, testified on HB 4990 and HB 4991.
Questions and discussion followed.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4990, but did not wish to speak:
Sergeant Travis Fletcher, representing the Michigan State Police.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to HB 4990 and HB 4991, but did not wish
to speak:
Brian Shoaf, representing the Detroit Regional Chamber.
Representative Brabec moved to adopt substitute (H-2) to HB 4990. The motion prevailed 16-11-
0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Bollin offered the following amendment to HB 4990:
1. Amend page 2, line 4, by striking out "of $15.00 per record." and inserting "specified
annually by the legislature, or if the legislature does not specify a fee, a market-based price
established by the secretary of state. For fiscal year ending September 30, 2024, the fee is
$11.00 per record.".
Representative Bollin moved to adopt the amendment to HB 4990. The motion did not prevail
11-16-0:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Nays: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Pass: None.
Representative Morse moved to report out HB 4990 with recommendation, as substitute (H-2).
The motion prevailed 16-11-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Brabec moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4991. The motion prevailed 16-11-
0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Bollin offered the following amendment to HB 4991:
1. Amend page 2, line 1, by striking out "of $15.00." and inserting "specified annually by the
legislature, or if the legislature does not specify a fee, a market-based price established by the
secretary of state. For fiscal year ending September 30, 2024, the fee is $11.00 per record.".
Representative Bollin moved to adopt the amendment to HB 4991. The motion did not prevail
10-16-0:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Steele.
Nays: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Pass: None.
Representative Puri moved to report out HB 4991 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1). The
motion prevailed 16-10-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Steele.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 4993, HB 4994, HB 4995, HB 4996 and HB 4997 before the committee:
HB 4993
(Rep. Skaggs)
A bill to amend 1979 PA 152, entitled "State
license fee act," by amending sections 13, 17, 21,
25, 27, 31, 37, and 38 (MCL 338.2213, 338.2217,
338.2221, 338.2225, 338.2227, 338.2231,
338.2237, and 338.2238), as amended by 2019 PA
71.
HB 4994
(Rep. Skaggs)
A bill to amend 2008 PA 551, entitled "Uniform
securities act (2002)," by amending section 410
(MCL 451.2410), as amended by 2019 PA 73.
HB 4995
(Rep. Skaggs)
A bill to amend 1993 PA 23, entitled "Michigan
limited liability company act," by amending
section 1101 (MCL 450.5101), as amended by
2019 PA 70.
HB 4996
(Rep. Skaggs)
A bill to amend 1982 PA 162, entitled "Nonprofit
corporation act," by amending section 1060 (MCL
450.3060), as amended by 2019 PA 69.
HB 4997
(Rep. Skaggs)
A bill to amend 1972 PA 284, entitled "Business
corporation act," by amending section 1060 (MCL
450.2060), as amended by 2019 PA 68.
Marcus Coffin, representing the House Fiscal Agency, testified on HB 4993, HB 4994, HB 4995
HB 4996, and HB 4997. Questions and discussion followed.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to HB 4993, HB 4994, HB 4995 HB 4996,
and HB 4997, but did not wish to speak:
Brian Shoaf, representing the Detroit Regional Chamber.
Representative Skaggs moved to adopt substitute (H-2) to HB 4993. The motion prevailed 16-
10-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Steckloff moved to report out HB 4993 with recommendation, as substitute (H-
2). The motion prevailed 16-11-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Skaggs moved to adopt substitute (H-2) to HB 4994. The motion prevailed 16-11-
0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Weiss moved to report out HB 4994 with recommendation, as substitute (H-2).
The motion prevailed 16-11-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Skaggs moved to adopt substitute (H-2) to HB 4995. The motion prevailed 16-11-
0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Weiss moved to report out HB 4995 with recommendation, as substitute (H-2).
The motion prevailed 16-11-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Skaggs moved to adopt substitute (H-2) to HB 4996. The motion prevailed 16-11-
0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Mentzer moved to report out HB 4996 with recommendation, as substitute (H-2).
The motion prevailed 16-11-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Skaggs moved to adopt substitute (H-2) to HB 4997. The motion prevailed 16-11-
0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative McKinney moved to report out HB 4997 with recommendation, as substitute (H-
2). The motion prevailed 16-11-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 5000 before the committee:
HB 5000
(Rep. Wilson)
A bill to amend 1935 PA 120, entitled "An act to
prescribe a method for the fingerprinting of
residents of the state; to provide for the recording
and filing of the fingerprints by the central records
division of the department of state police; and to
impose a fee," by amending section 3 (MCL
28.273), as amended by 2019 PA 78.
Marcus Coffin, representing the House Fiscal Agency, testified on HB 5000.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 5000, but did not wish to speak:
Sergeant Travis Fletcher, representing the Michigan State Police.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to HB 5000, but did not wish to speak:
Brian Shoaf, representing the Detroit Regional Chamber.
Representative Wilson moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 5000. The motion prevailed 16-1-
10:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Rep. Steele.
Pass: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette.
Representative Snyder moved to report out HB 5000 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 16-1-10:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Rep. Steele.
Pass: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette.
The Chair laid HB 5003 and HB 5004 before the committee:
HB 5003
(Rep. Morse)
A bill to amend 1974 PA 258, entitled "Mental
health code," by amending section 139 (MCL
330.1139), as amended by 2019 PA 83.
HB 5004
(Rep. Morse)
A bill to amend 1978 PA 368, entitled "Public
health code," by amending sections 5801, 6237,
13522, and 20161 (MCL 333.5801, 333.6237,
333.13522, and 333.20161), section 5801 as
amended by 2015 PA 91, section 6237 as amended
by 2019 PA 75, section 13522 as amended by
1994 PA 100, and section 20161 as amended by
2022 PA 187.
Kent Dell and Viola Bay Wild, both representing the House Fiscal Agency, testified on HB 5003
and HB 5004. Questions and discussion followed.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to HB 5003 and HB 5004, but did not wish
to speak:
Brian Shoaf, representing the Detroit Regional Chamber.
Representative Morse moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 5003. The motion prevailed 16-11-
0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Wilson moved to report out HB 5003 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 16-11-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Morse moved to adopt substitute (H-3) to HB 5004. The motion prevailed 16-11-
0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Steele explained proposed substitute (H-4) to HB 5004.
Representative Steele made a motion to adopt substitute (H-4) to HB 5004. The motion did not
prevail 11-16-0:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Nays: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Pass: None.
Representative O'Neal moved to report out HB 5004 with recommendation, as substitute (H-3).
The motion prevailed 16-11-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 5007 before the committee:
HB 5007
(Rep. McKinney)
A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled "Natural
resources and environmental protection act," by
amending sections 3104, 3110, 3118, 3120, 3122,
3132, 3306, 4104, 4112, 5522, 9123, 11108,
11109, 11123, 11153, 11509, 11512, 11525a,
11717b, 12109, 12112, 16904, 17303, 17317,
21506a, 21508, 30104, 30109, 31509, 32312,
32513, 32707, 32723, 33911, 33929, 61525,
61525a, 62509, 62509a, 63103d, 63205, 63215,
63405, 63413, 63711, 80130, 80315, 81114, and
82156 (MCL 324.3104, 324.3110, 324.3118,
324.3120, 324.3122, 324.3132, 324.3306,
324.4104, 324.4112, 324.5522, 324.9123,
324.11108, 324.11109, 324.11123, 324.11153,
324.11509, 324.11512, 324.11525a, 324.11717b,
324.12109, 324.12112, 324.16904, 324.17303,
324.17317, 324.21506a, 324.21508, 324.30104,
324.30109, 324.31509, 324.32312, 324.32513,
324.32707, 324.32723, 324.33911, 324.33929,
324.61525, 324.61525a, 324.62509, 324.62509a,
324.63103d, 324.63205, 324.63215, 324.63405,
324.63413, 324.63711, 324.80130, 324.80315,
324.81114, and 324.82156), sections 3104, 3110,
3118, 3120, 4104, 11153, 30104, 30109, 32312,
and 32513 as amended by 2021 PA 91, sections
3122 and 4112 as amended by 2019 PA 79, section
3132 as added by 1997 PA 29, section 3306 as
amended by 2014 PA 253, section 5522 as
amended by 2019 PA 119, section 9123 as
amended by 2000 PA 504, section 11108 as
amended by 2013 PA 73, section 11109 as added
by 2018 PA 689, section 11123 as amended by
2014 PA 254, sections 11509 and 11512 as
amended by 2022 PA 245, section 11525a as
amended by 2022 PA 246, section 11717b as
amended by 2008 PA 492, sections 12109 and
12112 as amended by 2017 PA 90, section 16904
as amended by 2014 PA 543, sections 17303 and
17317 as amended by 2019 PA 85, section 21506a
as amended by 2017 PA 134, section 21508 as
amended by 2016 PA 467, sections 31509, 61525,
and 62509 as amended by 2004 PA 325, section
32707 as amended by 2008 PA 182, section 32723
as amended by 2008 PA 180, sections 33911 and
33929 as amended by 2006 PA 496, section
61525a as added by 1998 PA 252, section 62509a
as added by 1998 PA 467, section 63103d as
amended by 2011 PA 214, sections 63205 and
63215 as added by 2004 PA 449, sections 63405
and 63413 as added by 2017 PA 40, section 63711
as added by 1995 PA 57, and sections 80130,
80315, 81114, and 82156 as amended by 2019 PA
81.
Austin Scott, representing the House Fiscal Agency, testified on HB 5007. Questions and
discussion followed.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 5007, but did not wish to speak:
Mike Spence, representing the Southeast Michigan Council of Governments.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 5007, but did not wish to speak:
Brain Shoaf, representing the Detroit Regional Chamber.
Tim Langholz, representing the National Federation of Independent Business.
Jami DesChenes, representing the Michigan Chemistry Council.
Caroline Liethen, representing the Michigan Manufactures Association.
Representative McKinney moved to adopt substitute (H-3) to HB 5007. The motion prevailed
16-11-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Brabec moved to report out HB 5007 with recommendation, as substitute (H-3).
The motion prevailed 16-11-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Beson offered the following amendments to HB 5007:
1. Amend page 2, line 4, after "facility," by striking out "$7,500.00." and inserting "$3,650.00.".
2. Amend page 2, line 6, after "residents," by striking out "$1,800.00." and inserting
"$1,500.00.".
3. Amend page 2, line 7, after "facility," by striking out "$300.00." and inserting "$250.00.".
4. Amend page 2, line 8, after "facility," by striking out "$240.00." and inserting "$200.00.".
Representative Beson moved to adopt the amendments to HB 5007. The motion did not prevail
11-16-0:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Nays: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Pass: None.
Representative Bollin offered the following amendments to HB 5007:
1. Amend page 20, line 16, after "fee" by striking out "of $15.00 per record." and inserting
"specified annually by the legislature, or if none, a market-based price established by the
secretary of state. For the fiscal year ending September 30, 2024, the fee is $11.00 per
record.".
2. Amend page 21, line 23, after "fee" by striking out "of $15.00 per record." and inserting
"specified annually by the legislature, or if none, a market-based price established by the
secretary of state. For the fiscal year ending September 30, 2024, the fee is $11.00 per
record.".
3. Amend page 22, line 27, after "fee" by striking out "of $15.00 per record." and inserting
"specified annually by the legislature, or if none, a market-based price established by the
secretary of state. For the fiscal year ending September 30, 2024, the fee is $11.00 per
record.".
4. Amend page 24, line 8, after "fee" by striking out "of $15.00 per record." and inserting
"specified annually by the legislature, or if none, a market-based price established by the
secretary of state. For the fiscal year ending September 30, 2024, the fee is $11.00 per
record.".
Representative Bollin moved to adopt the amendments to HB 5007. The motion did not prevail
11-16-0:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Nays: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Pass: None.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Witwer adjourned the meeting at
9:48 AM.
Representative Angela Witwer, Chair
Dakota Soda
Committee Clerk
dsoda@house.mi.gov


location: Room 521, House Office Building

meeting_state: held

evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON ENERGY, COMMUNICATIONS, AND TECHNOLOGY
REP. HELENA SCOTT
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Wednesday, September 20, 2023
9:00 AM
Room 521, House Office Building
The House Committee on Energy, Communications, and Technology was called to order by
Majority Vice Chair Andrews.
The Majority Vice Chair Joey Andrews requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Scott, Andrews, Coleman, Whitsett, Neeley, Byrnes, Churches, Hill,
MacDonell, McFall, Wendzel, Aragona, BeGole, Greene, Prestin, Schmaltz.
Absent: Rep. Outman.
Excused: Rep. Outman.
Representative Coleman joined the committee remotely.
Representative Churches moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 13, 2023.
There being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Majority Vice Chair laid before the committee a presentation by Nathan Kark, Executive
Director, Michigan Cable Telecommunications Association. Questions and discussion
followed.
Nathan Kark testified in support of
The Chair entered the meeting and assumed the gavel, the time being 9:11 AM.
Representative Andrews moved to excuse Representative Outman from the meeting. There
being no objection the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Scott adjourned the meeting at
9:28 AM.
Representative Helena Scott, Chair
Molly Wingrove
Committee Clerk
mwingrove@house.mi.gov
Date Adopted: October 11,
2023


location: Room 519, House Office Building

evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON HEALTH POLICY
REP. JULIE M. ROGERS
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Wednesday, September 20, 2023
9:30 AM
Room 519, House Office Building
The House Committee on Health Policy was called to order by Chair Rogers.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Rogers, Whitsett, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia,
Conlin, Farhat, Fitzgerald, Miller, Rheingans, VanderWall, Filler, Mueller, VanWoerkom,
Roth, Schmaltz, Thompson.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Fitzgerald moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 14, 2023.
There being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4949, HB 4950, HB 4951, HB 4952, HB 4953, HB 4954, HB 4955, HB
4956, HB 4957, HB 4958 and HB 4959 before the committee:
HB 4949
(Rep. Pohutsky)
A bill to list certain constitutional rights related to
reproductive freedom; to prohibit the violation of
certain rights and provide remedies; to provide for
the powers and duties of certain state and local
governmental officers and entities; and to repeal
acts and parts of acts.
HB 4950
(Rep. Tsernoglou)
A bill to amend 1978 PA 368, entitled "Public
health code," by amending sections 2690, 2803,
2848, 2854, 9141, 10102, 16221, 16226, 16245,
16299, and 20115 (MCL 333.2690, 333.2803,
333.2848, 333.2854, 333.9141, 333.10102,
333.16221, 333.16226, 333.16245, 333.16299,
and 333.20115), section 2690 as amended by 2016
PA 386, section 2803 as amended by 2020 PA 54,
sections 2848 and 20115 as amended and section
2854 as added by 2012 PA 499, section 9141 as
added by 2004 PA 501, section 10102 as amended
by 2008 PA 39, section 16221 as amended by
2023 PA 47, section 16226 as amended by 2023
PA 48, section 16245 as amended by 2014 PA 413,
and section 16299 as amended by 2020 PA 375;
and to repeal acts and parts of acts.
HB 4951
(Rep. Hope)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 175, entitled "The code
of criminal procedure," by amending section 10d
of chapter II, sections 1a and 3 of chapter IV,
section 6e of chapter V, section 4a of chapter IX,
and sections 13k, 16d, and 16p of chapter XVII
(MCL 762.10d, 764.1a, 764.3, 765.6e, 769.4a,
777.13k, 777.16d, and 777.16p), section 10d of
chapter II, section 3 of chapter IV, and section 6e
of chapter V as added and section 1a of chapter IV
as amended by 2020 PA 394, section 4a of chapter
IX as amended by 2019 PA 115, section 13k of
chapter XVII as amended by 2018 PA 587, section
16d of chapter XVII as amended by 2023 PA 59,
and section 16p of chapter XVII as amended by
2008 PA 467.
HB 4952
(Rep. Rheingans)
A bill to amend 2002 PA 687, entitled "Born alive
infant protection act," by amending section 1
(MCL 333.1071).
HB 4953
(Rep. Morse)
A bill to amend 1961 PA 236, entitled "Revised
judicature act of 1961," by amending section 5711
(MCL 600.5711), as amended by 2014 PA 223.
HB 4954
(Rep. Brabec)
A bill to amend 1979 PA 94, entitled "The state
school aid act of 1979," by amending section 6
(MCL 388.1606), as amended by 2023 PA 103.
HB 4955
(Rep. Price)
A bill to amend 1980 PA 299, entitled
"Occupational code," by amending section 1810
(MCL 339.1810), as amended by 2020 PA 265.
HB 4956
(Rep. Rogers)
A bill to amend 1965 PA 213, entitled "An act to
provide for setting aside the conviction in certain
criminal cases; to provide for the effect of such
action; to provide for the retention of certain
nonpublic records and their use; to prescribe the
powers and duties of certain public agencies and
officers; and to prescribe penalties," by amending
section 1 (MCL 780.621), as amended by 2021 PA
78.
HB 4957
(Rep. Steckloff)
A bill to amend 2004 PA 500, entitled "Pregnant
and parenting student services act," by amending
section 5 (MCL 390.1595).
HB 4958
(Rep. Weiss)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 280, entitled "The social
welfare act," by repealing sections 109a, 109d,
and 109e (MCL 400.109a, 400.109d, and
400.109e).
HB 4959
(Rep. Grant)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 280, entitled "The social
welfare act," by amending sections 108 and 109
(MCL 400.108 and 400.109), section 108 as
amended by 2013 PA 107 and section 109 as
amended by 2022 PA 98.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4949, HB 4950, HB 4951, HB 4952,
HB 4953, HB 4954, HB 4955, HB 4956, HB 4957, HB 4958 and HB 4959, but did not wish
to speak:
Mary Pollack, representing the Michigan National Organization for Women.
Judy Karandjeff, representing the League of Women Voters of Michigan.
Mary Jo Durivage, representing herself.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4949, HB 4950, HB 4951, HB
4952, HB 4953, HB 4954, HB 4955, HB 4956, HB 4957, HB 4958 and HB 4959, but did not
wish to speak:
Jeff Hewson, representing the Michigan Family Forum.
Representative Joseph Fox.
Representative VanderWall offered the following amendments to HB 4949:
1. Amend page 3, line 29, after "(a)" by striking out "Sections 90h and" and inserting
"Section".
2. Amend page 4, line 1, after "MCL" by striking out "750.90h and".
Representative VanderWall moved to adopt the amendments to HB 4949. The motion did not
prevail 8-11-0:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Whitsett, VanderWall, Filler, Mueller, VanWoerkom, Roth, Schmaltz,
Thompson.
Nays: Reps. Rogers, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia, Conlin, Farhat,
Fitzgerald, Miller, Rheingans.
Pass: None.
Representative Whitsett offered the following amendment to HB 4949:
1. Amend page 4, line 7, by striking out all of Enacting section 2 and inserting:
"Enacting section 2. This act does not take effect unless House Bill No. 4958 of the
102nd Legislature is enacted into law.".
Representative Whitsett moved to adopt the amendment to HB 4949. The motion did not
prevail 1-11-7:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Rep. Whitsett.
Nays: Reps. Rogers, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia, Conlin, Farhat,
Fitzgerald, Miller, Rheingans.
Pass: Reps. VanderWall, Filler, Mueller, VanWoerkom, Roth, Schmaltz, Thompson.
Representative Brenda Carter moved to report out HB 4949 with recommendation. The
motion prevailed 11-8-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Rogers, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia, Conlin, Farhat,
Fitzgerald, Miller, Rheingans.
Nays: Reps. Whitsett, VanderWall, Filler, Mueller, VanWoerkom, Roth, Schmaltz,
Thompson.
Pass: None.
Representative Thompson offered the following amendments to HB 4950:
1. Amend page 30, line 26, after "17014," by striking out "17015,".
2. Amend page 30, line 29, after "333.17014," by striking out "333.17015,".
Representative Thompson moved to adopt the amendments to HB 4950. The motion did not
prevail 8-11-0:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Whitsett, VanderWall, Filler, Mueller, VanWoerkom, Roth, Schmaltz,
Thompson.
Nays: Reps. Rogers, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia, Conlin, Farhat,
Fitzgerald, Miller, Rheingans.
Pass: None.
Representative Schmaltz offered the following amendments to HB 4950:
1. Amend page 28, line 12, after "20115." by inserting "(1)".
2. Amend page 28, following line 24, by inserting:
"(2) The department shall promulgate rules to differentiate a freestanding surgical
outpatient facility from a private office of a physician, dentist, podiatrist, or other health
professional. The department shall specify in the rules that a facility including, but not limited
to, a private practice office described in this subsection must be licensed under this article as
a freestanding surgical outpatient facility if that facility performs 120 or more surgical
abortions per year and publicly advertises outpatient abortion services.
(3) The department shall promulgate rules that in effect republish R 325.3826, R
325.3832, R 325.3835, R 325.3857, R 325.3866, R 325.3867, and R 325.3868 of the
Michigan administrative code, but shall include in the rules standards for a freestanding
surgical outpatient facility or private practice office that performs 120 or more surgical
abortions per year and that publicly advertises outpatient abortion services. The department
shall assure that the standards are consistent with the most recent United States supreme court
decisions regarding state regulation of abortions.
(4) Subject to section 20145 and part 222, the department may modify or waive 1 or
more of the rules contained in R 325.3801 to R 325.3877 of the Michigan administrative code
regarding construction or equipment standards, or both, for a freestanding surgical outpatient
facility that performs 120 or more surgical abortions per year and that publicly advertises
outpatient abortion services, if both of the following conditions are met:
(a) The freestanding surgical outpatient facility was in existence and operating on
December 31, 2012.
(b) The department makes a determination that the existing construction or equipment
conditions, or both, within the freestanding surgical outpatient facility are adequate to
preserve the health and safety of the patients and employees of the freestanding surgical
outpatient facility or that the construction or equipment conditions, or both, can be modified
to adequately preserve the health and safety of the patients and employees of the freestanding
surgical outpatient facility without meeting the specific requirements of the rules.
(5) By January 15 each year, the department of community health shall provide the
following information to the department of licensing and regulatory affairs:
(a) From data received by the department of community health through the abortion
reporting requirements of section 2835, all of the following:
(i) The name and location of each facility at which abortions were performed during
the immediately preceding calendar year.
(ii) The total number of abortions performed at that facility location during the
immediately preceding calendar year.
(iii) The total number of surgical abortions performed at that facility location during
the immediately preceding calendar year.
(b) Whether a facility at which surgical abortions were performed in the immediately
preceding calendar year publicly advertises abortion services.
(6) As used in this section:
(a) "Abortion" means that term as defined in section 17015.
(b) "Publicly advertises" means to advertise using directory or internet advertising
including yellow pages, white pages, banner advertising, or electronic publishing.
(c) "Surgical abortion" means an abortion that is not a medical abortion as that term is
defined in section 17017.".
3. Amend page 30, line 26, after "Sections" by striking out "2835,".
4. Amend page 30, line 26, after "17014," by striking out "17015,".
5. Amend page 30, line 27, after "17016," by striking out "17017,".
6. Amend page 30, line 28, after "MCL" by striking out "333.2835,".
7. Amend page 30, line 29, after "333.17014," by striking out "333.17015,".
8. Amend page 30, line 29, after "333.17016," by striking out "333.17017,".
Representative Schmaltz moved to adopt the amendments to HB 4950. The motion did not
prevail 8-11-0:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Whitsett, VanderWall, Filler, Mueller, VanWoerkom, Roth, Schmaltz,
Thompson.
Nays: Reps. Rogers, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia, Conlin, Farhat,
Fitzgerald, Miller, Rheingans.
Pass: None.
Representative VanderWall offered the following amendments to HB 4950:
1. Amend page 30, line 27, after "17015a," by striking out "17016,".
2. Amend page 30, line 27, after "17515," by striking out "17516,".
3. Amend page 30, line 29, after "333.17015a," by striking out "333.17016,".
4. Amend page 31, line 1, by striking out "333.17516,".
Representative VanderWall moved to adopt the amendments to HB 4950. The motion did not
prevail 8-11-0:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Whitsett, VanderWall, Filler, Mueller, VanWoerkom, Roth, Schmaltz,
Thompson.
Nays: Reps. Rogers, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia, Conlin, Farhat,
Fitzgerald, Miller, Rheingans.
Pass: None.
Representative Filler offered the following amendments to HB 4950:
1. Amend page 30, line 27, by striking out "17015a,".
2. Amend page 30, line 29, after "333.17015," by striking out "333.17015a,".
Representative Filler moved to adopt the amendments to HB 4950. The motion did not
prevail 8-11-0:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Whitsett, VanderWall, Filler, Mueller, VanWoerkom, Roth, Schmaltz,
Thompson.
Nays: Reps. Rogers, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia, Conlin, Farhat,
Fitzgerald, Miller, Rheingans.
Pass: None.
Representative VanWoerkom offered the following amendments to HB 4950:
1. Amend page 30, line 26, after "2836," by striking out "2837,".
2. Amend page 30, line 28, after "333.2836," by striking out "333.2837,".
Representative VanWoerkom moved to adopt the amendments to HB 4950. The motion did
not prevail 8-11-0:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Whitsett, VanderWall, Filler, Mueller, VanWoerkom, Roth, Schmaltz,
Thompson.
Nays: Reps. Rogers, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia, Conlin, Farhat,
Fitzgerald, Miller, Rheingans.
Pass: None.
Representative Roth offered the following amendments to HB 4950:
1. Amend page 30, line 26, after "Sections" by striking out "2835,".
2. Amend page 30, line 28, after "MCL" by striking out "333.2835,".
Representative Roth moved to adopt the amendments to HB 4950. The motion did not prevail
8-11-0:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Whitsett, VanderWall, Filler, Mueller, VanWoerkom, Roth, Schmaltz,
Thompson.
Nays: Reps. Rogers, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia, Conlin, Farhat,
Fitzgerald, Miller, Rheingans.
Pass: None.
Representative Whitsett offered the following amendment to HB 4950:
1. Amend page 31, 1ine 2, by striking out all of Enacting section 2.
Representative Whitsett moved to adopt the amendment to HB 4950. The motion did not
prevail 1-11-7:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Rep. Whitsett.
Nays: Reps. Rogers, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia, Conlin, Farhat,
Fitzgerald, Miller, Rheingans.
Pass: Reps. VanderWall, Filler, Mueller, VanWoerkom, Roth, Schmaltz, Thompson.
Representative Rheingans moved to report out HB 4950 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 11-8-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Rogers, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia, Conlin, Farhat,
Fitzgerald, Miller, Rheingans.
Nays: Reps. Whitsett, VanderWall, Filler, Mueller, VanWoerkom, Roth, Schmaltz,
Thompson.
Pass: None.
Representative Neeley moved to report out HB 4953 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 10-8-1:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Rogers, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia, Conlin,
Fitzgerald, Miller, Rheingans.
Nays: Reps. Whitsett, VanderWall, Filler, Mueller, VanWoerkom, Roth, Schmaltz,
Thompson.
Pass: Rep. Farhat.
Representative Rheingans moved to report out HB 4954 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 11-8-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Rogers, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia, Conlin, Farhat,
Fitzgerald, Miller, Rheingans.
Nays: Reps. Whitsett, VanderWall, Filler, Mueller, VanWoerkom, Roth, Schmaltz,
Thompson.
Pass: None.
Representative Neeley moved to report out HB 4955 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 11-8-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Rogers, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia, Conlin, Farhat,
Fitzgerald, Miller, Rheingans.
Nays: Reps. Whitsett, VanderWall, Filler, Mueller, VanWoerkom, Roth, Schmaltz,
Thompson.
Pass: None.
Representative Rheingans moved to report out HB 4956 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 11-8-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Rogers, Brenda Carter, Haadsma, Neeley, Glanville, Coffia, Conlin, Farhat,
Fitzgerald, Miller, Rheingans.
Nays: Reps. Whitsett, VanderWall, Filler, Mueller, VanWoerkom, Roth, Schmaltz,
Thompson.
Pass: None.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Rogers adjourned the meeting at
9:55 AM.
Representative Julie M. Rogers, Chair
Melissa Sweet
Committee Clerk
msweet@house.mi.gov


location: Room 326, House Office Building

evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON HIGHER EDUCATION
REP. CAROL GLANVILLE
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Wednesday, September 20, 2023
9:00 AM
Room 326, House Office Building
The House Committee on Higher Education was called to order by Chair Glanville.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Glanville, Rheingans, Koleszar, Scott, Byrnes, Coffia, Hill, MacDonell,
Paiz, VanderWall, Paquette, Zorn, Bruck.
Absent: Rep. DeSana.
Excused: Rep. DeSana.
Representative Rheingans moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 13, 2023.
There being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
At 9:01 AM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 9:02 AM, Majority Vice Chair Rheingans called the committee back to order.
The Chair laid HB 4982 before the committee:
HB 4982
(Rep. Glanville)
A bill to amend 2015 PA 45, entitled "Higher
education authorization and distance education
reciprocal exchange act," by amending section 7
(MCL 390.1697), as amended by 2017 PA 99.
Representative Glanville testified in support of HB 4982.
At 9:04 AM, Majority Vice Chair Rheingans laid the committee at ease.
At 9:04 AM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
Dan Hurley, Chief Executive Officer of the Michigan Association of State Universities,
testified in support of HB 4982. Questions and discussion followed.
Representative Koleszar moved to report out HB 4982 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Glanville, Rheingans, Koleszar, Scott, Byrnes, Coffia, Hill, MacDonell, Paiz,
VanderWall, Paquette, Zorn, Bruck.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4982, but did not wish to speak:
Megan Morris, representing Central Michigan University.
Katie Witkowski, representing the Michigan Community College Association.
The Chair laid HB 4932 before the committee:
HB 4932
(Rep. Skaggs)
A bill to amend 1978 PA 90, entitled "Youth
employment standards act," by amending sections
2, 3, 20, 21, and 22 (MCL 409.102, 409.103,
409.120, 409.121, and 409.122), section 2 as
amended by 1996 PA 438, section 3 as amended
by 1997 PA 132, and section 22 as amended by
1980 PA 436.
Representative Scott moved to refer HB 4932 to the Committee on Labor. The motion
prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Glanville, Rheingans, Koleszar, Scott, Byrnes, Coffia, Hill, MacDonell, Paiz,
VanderWall, Paquette, Zorn, Bruck.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4932, but did not wish to speak:
David Randels, representing Oakland Schools.
Representative VanderWall moved to excuse Representative DeSana from the meeting. There
being no objection the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Glanville adjourned the meeting
at 9:09 AM.
Representative Carol Glanville, Chair
Nicholas Gewirtz
Committee Clerk
ngewirtz@house.mi.gov


evidence_text:
MEMBERS:
SEN. JEREMY MOSS, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. SEAN MCCANN
SEN. ROSEMARY BAYER
SEN. JEFF IRWIN
SEN. MARK HUIZENGA, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. LANA THEIS
SEN. KEVIN DALEY
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON FINANCE, INSURANCE,
AND CONSUMER PROTECTION
SENATOR MARY CAVANAGH
CHAIR
6500 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7748
FAX: (517) 373-1387
**DRAFT**
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 20, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Finance, Insurance, and Consumer Protection was scheduled for
Wednesday, September 20, 2023, at 11:00 a.m., in the 1200 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Reported HB 4377 (Rep. Carter) with recommendation.
2. Reported HB 4378 (Rep. Neeley) with recommendation.
3. Reported SB 331 (Sen. Hertel) with recommendation.
4. Testimony regarding SB 483 (Sen. Camilleri), SB 484 (Sen. Klinefelt) and SB 485 (Sen. McDonald
Rivet).
The Chair called the meeting to order at 11:01 a.m.. She instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Cavanagh, Sen.(s) Moss, McCann, Bayer, Irwin, Huizenga, Theis and
Daley, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Moss to adopt the meeting minutes from September 13, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Moss to report HB 4377 to the floor with recommendation that it pass.
The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Cavanagh, Sen.(s) Moss, McCann, Bayer, and Irwin.
Nays: Sen.(s) Huizenga, Theis, and Daley.
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. McCann to report HB 4378 to the floor with recommendation that it
pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Cavanagh, Sen.(s) Moss, McCann, Bayer, and Irwin.
Nays: Sen.(s) Huizenga, Theis, and Daley.
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
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The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Moss to report SB 331 to the floor with recommendation that it pass.
The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Cavanagh, Sen.(s) Moss, McCann, Bayer, Irwin, Huizenga, Theis, and Daley.
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 483, SB 484 and SB 485:
Sens. Darin Camilleri, Kristen McDonald Rivet, and Veronica Klinefelt – Support
Jane Horvath, National Prescription Drug Policy Expert – Support
Robert Davidson, The Committee to Protect Healthcare – Support
Dominick Pallone and Carrie Germain, Michigan Association of Health Plans – Support
Sarah Stark, Resident – Support
Stephen Rapundalo, MichBio – Opposition
Justin Mendoza, Universities Allied for Essential Medicine – Support
Pete Rigney, National MS Society – Support
Melissa Seifert, AARP – Support
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 483:
Charise Johnson, PhRMA – Opposition
Due to time constraints, the following individuals were unable to present testimony regarding SB 483, SB 484
and SB 485:
Drew Gattine, National Academy for State Health Policy – Support
Anne Jackson, Michigan Nurses Association – Support
Corbin McGhee, National Multiple Sclerosis Society – Support
Rachel Richards, Michigan League for Public Policy – Support
Due to time constraints, the following individuals were unable to present testimony regarding SB 483:
Laura Bonnell, The Bonnell Foundation – Opposition
Michael Radtke, Pharmaceutical Industry Labor Management Association – Opposition
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 483, SB
484 and SB 485:
Carolyn Sheridan, National Organization for Rare Disorders – No Position
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 483:
ED Sagebiel, Eli Lilly and Company – Opposition
Lilly Melander, Biotechnology Innovation Organization – Opposition
Michael Hodin, Global Coalition on Aging – No Position
Marcia Horn, International Cancer Advocacy Network – No Position
Scott Bertani, HealthHIV and National Coalition for LGBT Health – No Position
Travis Butchello, Healthcare Distribution Alliance – Opposition
Jen Laws, Community Access National Network – Opposition
Gary and Madeline Feldman, Coalition for State Rheumatology Organizations – No Position
Jerome Winegarden and Everett Vokes, Michigan Society of Hematology and Oncology – No Position
Kindyl Boyer, National Infusion Center Association – No Position
Eric Roath, Michigan Pharmacists Association – Support
Stuart Genschaw, Cancer and Hematology Centers of Western Michigan – No Position
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The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 483, SB 484 and SB 485:
Nicole Felix, Meridian – Support
Jim Pedersen, Alliance for Retired Americans – Support
No Name Supplied, APIAVote – Support
Dawn Kettinger, Michigan Nurses Association – Support
Chris Savage, Community to Protect Healthcare – Support
Hugh Madden, Prosperity Michigan – Support
Eli Isaguirre, MRCCM – Support
Laura Packard, Health Care Voices – Support
Karen Holcomb-Merrill, Michigan League for Public Policy – Support
Erin Knott, Equality Michigan – Support
Hanna Schulze, People First Economy – Support
Beth Kelly Byrd, SEIU Michigan – Support
Steve Rzeppa, AFSCME Council 25 – Support
David Chase, Small Business Majority – Support
Melissa Bowie, Takeda Pharmaceuticals – Opposition
Ben Bodkin, Biolife Plasma Services – Opposition
Kate Dorsey, Michigan State Medical Society – Support
Wendy Block, Michigan Chamber of Commerce – Opposition
Libby Brunsvold, Vertex – Opposition
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 12:36 p.m.
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location: the 403 Room of the Capitol Building

evidence_text:
MEMBERS:
SEN. KRISTEN MCDONALD RIVET, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. SAM SINGH
SEN. ROSEMARY BAYER
SEN. SUE SHINK
SEN. KEVIN HERTEL
SEN. DARRIN CAMILLERI
SEN. STEPHANIE CHANG
SEN. DAYNA POLEHANKI
SEN. DAN LAUWERS, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. JOHN DAMOOSE
SEN. RICK OUTMAN
SEN. ROGER HAUCK
SEN. JOSEPH BELLINO
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND
ENVIRONMENT
SENATOR SEAN MCCANN
CHAIR
7100 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-5100
FAX: (517) 373-5115
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 20, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Energy and Environment was scheduled for Wednesday, September 20,
2023, at 12:30 p.m., in the 403 Room of the Capitol Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Testimony regarding SB 271 (Sen. Geiss).
2. Testimony regarding SB 273 (Sen. Singh).
3. Testimony regarding SB 502 (Sen. Shink).
The Chair called the meeting to order at 12:36 p.m. He instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair McCann, Sen.(s) McDonald Rivet, Singh, Bayer, Shink, Hertel,
Camilleri, Chang, Polehanki, Lauwers, Damoose, Outman, Hauck, and Bellino, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. McDonald Rivet to adopt the meeting minutes from September 14,
2023. Without objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair invited Sen. Singh to summarize the changes to SB 271 and SB 273.
The Chair invited Sen. Shink to summarize SB 502.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 271, SB 273, and SB 502:
Dan Scripps, Michigan Public Service Commission – No Position
Tim Minotas, Sierra Club – Support
Charlotte Jameson, Michigan Environmental Council – Support
Derrell Slaughter, Natural Resources Defense Council – Support
Nick Occhipinti, Michigan League of Conservation Voters – Support
Dr. Lisa Del Buono, Michigan Clinicians for Climate Action – Support
Carlo Cavallaro, Coalition for Community Solar Access – No Position
Roshan Krishman, Michigan Environmental Justice Coalition – Neutral
Andrew Kaplowitz, Detroiters Working for Environmental Justice – Neutral
Mike Johnston, Michigan Manufacturers Association – Oppose
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Mike Alaimo, Michigan Chamber – Oppose
Deana Dennis, Ceres – Support
Boratha Tan, Vote Solar – Support
Alison Sutter and Karyn Ferrick, City of Grand Rapids – Support
Sean McBrearty, Clean Water Action – Support 502, Neutral 271, 273
Edyta Sitko, Union of Concerned Scientists – Support
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 271 and SB 273:
Dr. Martin Kushler, American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy – Support
Justin Carpenter and Grace Mickienzi, Michigan EIBC – Support
Samarth Medakkar, Advanced Energy United – Support
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 271 and SB 502:
Juan Jhong-Chung, Michigan Environmental Justice Coalition – Neutral
Rafael Mojica, Soulardarity – Neutral
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 271:
Gary Melow, Michigan Biomass – Neutral
Kaitlin Kelly O'Neill, ECA Solar – Support
Mike O'Brien, Indiana Michigan Power Co. – No Position
Dana Adams, RNG Coalition – Oppose
The following cards were turned in of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding
SB 271, SB 273, and SB 502:
Courtney Bourgoin, Evergreen Action – Support
David Lossing, Huron River Watershed Council – Support
Katie Gordon, Grand Rapids Chamber – Oppose
Horst Schmidt, Upper Peninsula Environmental Coalition – Support
David Gurk, Washtenaw Chapter of Climate Reality – Support
Adam Forrer, Audubon Great Lakes – No Position
The following cards were turned in of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding
SB 271 and SB 502:
Will Lievense, Foundry Association of – Oppose
The following cards were turned in of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding
SB 271 and SB 273:
Stephanie Kreuz, Heritage Action for America – Oppose
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 3:42 p.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: October 25, 2023
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location: Room 327, House Office Building

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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES, ENVIRONMENT, TOURISM AND OUTDOOR
RECREATION
REP. LAURIE POHUTSKY
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, September 21, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 327, House Office Building
The House Committee on Natural Resources, Environment, Tourism and Outdoor Recreation
was called to order by Chair Pohutsky.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Pohutsky, Hill, Shannon, Arbit, McFall, Paiz, Martin, Prestin, Schriver.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Paiz joined the committee remotely.
Representative McFall moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 14, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4590 before the committee:
HB 4590
(Rep. Brenda Carter)
A bill to designate the monarch butterfly as the
official butterfly of the state of Michigan.
Representative Hill moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4590. The motion prevailed 6-1-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Pohutsky, Hill, Shannon, McFall, Martin, Prestin.
Nays: Rep. Schriver.
Pass: None.
Representative Shannon moved to report out HB 4590 with recommendation, as substitute
(H-1). The motion prevailed 6-1-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Pohutsky, Hill, Shannon, McFall, Martin, Prestin.
Nays: Rep. Schriver.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid SB 26 before the committee:
SB 26
(Sen. Chang)
A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled "Natural
resources and environmental protection act,"
(MCL 324.101 to 324.90106) by adding section
5534.
Senator Chang testified in support of SB 26. Questions and discussion followed.
Travis Boeskool and Jenine Camilleri, both representing the Michigan Department of
Environment, Great Lakes, and Energy, gave testimony in support of SB 26. Questions and
discussion followed.
Tim Minotas, representing the Sierra Club Michigan, gave testimony in support of SB 26.
John Boothroyd, representing Michigan Sugar Company, gave testimony in opposition of SB
26. Questions and discussion followed.
Caroline Liethen, representing the Michigan Manufactures Association, gave testimony in
opposition to SB 26. Questions and discussion followed.
Mike Alaimo, representing the Michigan Chamber of Commerce, gave testimony in
opposition to SB 26. Questions and discussion followed.
The following people submitted a card in support of SB 26, but did not wish to speak:
Nick Occhipinti, representing the Michigan League of Conservation Voters.
Mike Spence, representing the Southeast Michigan Council of Governments.
Nichole Keway Biber, representing Clean Water Action.
Megan Tinsley, representing the Michigan Environmental Council.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to SB 26, but did not wish to speak:
Amanda Fisher, representing the National Federation of Independent Business.
Simone Sagovac, representing Southwest Detroit Community Benefits Coalition, and Andrew
Bashi, representing the Great Lakes Environmental Law Center, gave testimony in support of
SB 26.
The Chair laid HB 4832 before the committee:
HB 4832
(Rep. Rogers)
A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled "Natural
resources and environmental protection act,"
(MCL 324.101 to 324.90106) by adding section
30111d.
Representative Rogers and Doug McLaughlin, representing the Kalamazoo River Watershed
Council, gave testimony in support of HB 4832. Questions and discussion followed.
Peter Ruddell, representing Honigman LLP, testified in opposition to HB 4832. Questions
and discussion followed.
Travis Boeskool and Kyle Alexander, both representing the Michigan Department of
Environment, Great Lakes, and Energy, gave testimony in support of HB 4832. Questions and
discussion followed.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4832, but did not wish to speak:
Bryan Burroughs, representing Michigan Trout Unlimited.
Nichole Keway Biber, representing Clean Water Action.
Tim Minotas, representing the Michigan Chapter of the Sierra Club.
Amy Trotter, representingMichigan United Conservation Clubs.
Robert Stuber, representing the Michigan Hydro Relicensing Coalition.
Megan Tinsley, representing the Michigan Environmental Council.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4832, but did not wish to speak:
Dawn Crandall, representing the Home Builders Association of Michigan.
Caroline Liethen, representing the Michigan Manufactures Association.
Mike Alaimo, representing the Michigan Chamber of Commerce.
The Chair laid SB 103, SB 104 and SB 105 before the committee:
SB 103
(Sen. Cherry)
A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled "Natural
resources and environmental protection act,"
(MCL 324.101 to 324.90106) by adding sections
48714a and 48714b.
SB 104
(Sen. Daley)
A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled "Natural
resources and environmental protection act,"
(MCL 324.101 to 324.90106) by adding sections
43528c and 43528d.
SB 105
(Sen. McCann)
A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled "Natural
resources and environmental protection act," by
amending section 40113a (MCL 324.40113a), as
amended by 2016 PA 382.
Senator Cherry, Senator McCann, and Bryce Fisher, representing the Office of Senator Daley,
gave testimony in support of SBs 103, 104 and 105.
Amy Trotter, representing Michigan United Conservation Clubs, Mike Thorman, representing
the Michigan Hunting Dog Federation, and Bryan Burroughs, representing Michigan Trout
Unlimited, gave testimony in support of SBs 103, 104 and 105. Questions and discussion
followed.
Dennis Stachewicz, a Michigan grouse guide, gave testimony in support of SBs 103, 104 and
105.
Taylor Ridderbusch, Randy Claramunt, and Sarah Cummins, all representing the Michigan
Department of Natural Resources, gave testimony in support of SBs 103, 104 and 105.
Bob Mathews, representing the Congressional Sportmen's Foundation, gave testimony in
support of SBs 103, 104 and 105.
The following people submitted a card in support of SB 103, SB 104 and SB 105, but did not
wish to speak:
Bee Friedlander, representing the Attorney for Animals Inc..
Erik Schnelle, representing the National Deer Association.
Kyle Roran, representing Ducks Unlimited.
Bryan Burroughs, representing Michigan Trout Unlimited.
Joe Hudson, representing the U.P. Bear Houndsmen Association.
Dave Johnson, representing the U.P. Sportsmens Alliance.
Roger Thorman, representing the Michigan Fox Hunters.
Jim Wale, representing the Michigan State United Coon Hunters.
Amy Trotter, representing the Michigan United Conservation Clubs.
Representative Arbit offered the following amendments to SB 103:
1. Amend page 6, line 12, after "Consideration" by striking out "of value".
2. Amend page 6, line 14, after "Consideration" by striking out "of value".
Representative Arbit moved to adopt the amendments to SB 103. The motion prevailed 7-1-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Pohutsky, Hill, Shannon, Arbit, McFall, Martin, Prestin.
Nays: Rep. Schriver.
Pass: None.
Representative Arbit offered the following amendment to SB 103:
1. Amend page 7, line 25, after "section" by striking out "1." and inserting "2.".
Representative Arbit moved to adopt the amendment to SB 103. The motion prevailed 7-1-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Pohutsky, Hill, Shannon, Arbit, McFall, Martin, Prestin.
Nays: Rep. Schriver.
Pass: None.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Pohutsky adjourned the meeting
at 12:59 PM.
Representative Laurie Pohutsky, Chair
Legan Rose
Committee Clerk
LRose@house.mi.gov


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MEMBERS:
SEN. DARRIN CAMILLERI, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. MARY CAVANAGH
SEN. THOMAS ALBERT, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON LABOR
SENATOR JOHN CHERRY
CHAIR
3600 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-0142
FAX: (517) 373-3938
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 21, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Labor was scheduled for Thursday, September 21, 2023, at 8:30 a.m., in
the 1300 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Testimony regarding SB 519 (Sen. Singh).
2. Reported HB 4438 (S-1) (Rep. Breen) with recommendation.
3. Reported HB 4439 (Rep. Bezotte) with recommendation.
4. Reported SB 170 (Sen. McCann) with recommendation.
5. Reported SB 171 (Sen. McCann) with recommendation.
The Chair called the meeting to order at 8:30 a.m. He instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Cherry, Sen.(s) Camilleri, Cavanagh, and Albert, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Cavanagh to adopt the meeting minutes from September 14, 2023.
Without objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 519:
Sen. Sam Singh and Rep. Jasper Martus – Support
Ryan Sebolt, Michigan AFL-CIO – Support
Denise Caldwell, UAW – Support
Anthony Davis, UAW Local 659 – Support
Joseph Losier, UAW – Support
Bill LaVoy, Former Representative – Support
Robert Joerg, Michigan Laborers District Council – Support
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 519:
Mike Spence, Southeast Michigan Council of Governments – Support
Eli Isaguarri, Michigan Regional Council of Carpenters and Millwrights – Support
Stephanie Johnson, Utility Workers of America – Support
Chris Marchione, IUPAT District Council 1M – Support
Amanda Fisher, NFIB – Oppose
Steve Delie, Mackinac Center – Oppose
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The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding HB 4438,
HB 4439, SB 170, SB 171 and SB 519:
Annie Patnaude, AFP Michigan – Oppose
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Camilleri to adopt the (S-1) version of HB 4438. The vote was as
follows:
Yeas: Chair Cherry, Sen.(s) Camilleri, Cavanagh, and Albert
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the (S-1) was adopted.
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding HB 4438
and HB 4439:
Bradley Richman, Capitol City Labor Program – Support
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Camilleri to report the (S-1) version of HB 4438 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Cherry, Sen.(s) Camilleri, Cavanagh, and Albert
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Cavanagh to report HB 4439 to the floor with recommendation that it
pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Cherry, Sen.(s) Camilleri, Cavanagh, and Albert
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 170:
Lance Binoniemi, Michigan Infrastructure and Transportation Association – Oppose
Amanda Fisher, NFIB – Oppose
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 171:
Amanda Fisher, NFIB – Oppose
Amy Drumm, Michigan Retailers Association – Oppose
Judy Allen, Michigan Townships Association – Support
Ben Tirrel, Michigan Farm Bureau – Oppose
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 170 and
SB 171:
Dave Hodgkins, Michigan Municipal League – Support
Jacob Manning, Small Business Association of Michigan – Oppose
Beth Byrd, SEIU Michigan – Support
Dawn Crandall, HBA of Michigan – Oppose
Eli Isaguarri, Michigan Regional Council of Carpenters and Millwrights – Support
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Camilleri to report SB 170 to the floor with recommendation that it
pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Cherry, Sen.(s) Camilleri and Cavanagh
Nays: Sen. Albert
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
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The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Cavanagh to report SB 171 to the floor with recommendation that it
pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Cherry, Sen.(s) Camilleri and Cavanagh
Nays: Sen. Albert
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 9:21 a.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: October 5, 2023
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MEMBERS:
SEN. SUE SHINK, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. PAUL WOJNO
SEN. JEFF IRWIN
SEN. SYLVIA SANTANA
SEN. JIM RUNESTAD, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. RUTH JOHNSON
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON CIVIL RIGHTS,
JUDICIARY, AND PUBLIC SAFETY
SENATOR STEPHANIE CHANG
CHAIR
4100 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7346
FAX: (517) 373-9320
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 21, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Civil Rights, Judiciary, and Public Safety was scheduled for Thursday,
September 21, 2023, at 12:00 p.m., in the 1200 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Testimony regarding HB 4516 (Rep. Coffia).
2. Testimony regarding HB 4420 (Rep. Rogers).
3.
Testimony regarding HB 4421 (Rep. Young).
4.
Testimony regarding HB 4422 (Rep. Filler).
5.
Testimony regarding HB 4423 (Rep. VanWoerkom).
6.
Testimony regarding SB 432 (Sen. Victory).
7.
Testimony regarding SB 433 (Sen. Johnson).
8.
Testimony regarding SB 434 (Sen. McCann).
9.
Testimony regarding SB 435 (Sen. Polehanki).
10.
Testimony regarding SB 436 (Sen. Damoose).
11.
Testimony regarding SB 437 (Sen. Chang).
12.
Testimony regarding SB 428 (Sen. Chang).
13.
Testimony regarding SB 429 (Sen. Irwin).
14.
Testimony regarding SB 430 (Sen. Geiss).
15.
Testimony regarding SB 431 (Sen. Moss).
The Chair called the meeting to order at 12:05 p.m. She instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Chang, Sen.(s) Shink, Irwin, Runestad and Johnson, a quorum was
present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Shink to adopt the meeting minutes from September 19, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair brought up HB 4516 and invite Rep. Coffia to summarized the bill.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding HB 4516:
Heath Lowry, MI Coalition to End Domestic & Sexual Violence - Support
Tina Frankenberger, via Zoom, Grand Traverse Bank of Ottawa and Chippewa Indians - Support
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The cards were read of those individuals not wishing to present testimony regarding HB 4516:
Aaron Rusch, YWCA Kalamazoo – Support
Jess Averill, MI Domestic & Sexual Violence Prevention & Treatment Board – Support
Matt Saxton, MI Sheriffs’ Association – Support
The Chair brought up HB’s 4420-4423, and invited Rep.(s) Rogers and Filler to summarize the bills:
The Chair invited the following individual to present testimony regarding HB’s 4420-4423:
Heath Lowry, MI Coalition to End Domestic & Sexual Violence - Support
The cards were read of those individuals not wishing to present testimony regarding HB’s 4420-4423:
Brandon Lanyon, Prosecuting Attorneys Association of Michigan – Support
Tom Hickson, Michigan Catholic Conference – Support
Aaron Rusch, YWCA Kalamazoo – Support
Nathan Triplett, State Bar of Michigan – Support
Matt Saxton, Michigan Sheriffs’ Association – Support
Heath B. Lowry, MI Coalition to end Domestic & Sexual Violence – Support
Jess Averill, MI Domestic & Sexual Violence Prevention & Treatment Board – Support HB 4420
Jess Averill, MI Domestic & Sexual Violence Prevention & Treatment Board – Support HB 4423
Jess Averill, MI Domestic & Sexual Violence Prevention & Treatment Board – Oppose HB 4421
Jess Averill, MI Domestic & Sexual Violence Prevention & Treatment Board – Neutral HB 4422
The Chair brought up SB’s 432-437, and invited Sen. Victory to summarize the bills.
The Chair invited the following individual to present testimony regarding SB’s 432-437:
Ryan J. Speidel, Office of the Children’s Ombudsman - Support
The cards were read of those individuals not wishing to present testimony regarding SB’s 432-437:
Trevor Van Dyke, Michigan Supreme Court – Support
Tom Hickson, Michigan Catholic Conference – Support
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Samantha Gibson, Michigan Association of Counties – Support
Brandon Lanyon, Prosecuting Attorneys Association of Michigan – Support
Gabrielle Dresner, ACLU Michigan – Support
Aaron Van Langevelede, Michigan Department of Attorney General – Support
The Chair brought up SB’s 428-431, and summarized the bills.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB’s 428-431:
Jen Peacock, Michigan Center for Youth Justice – Support
Nicole Faulds, via Zoom, Macomb County Family Court Administrator – Support
The cards were read of those individuals not wishing to present testimony regarding SB’s 428-431:
Trevor Van Dyke, Michigan Supreme Court – Support
Tom Hickson, Michigan Catholic Conference – Support
Samantha Gibson, Michigan Association of Counties – Support
Brandon Lanyon, Prosecuting Attorneys Association of Michigan – Support
Gabrielle Dresner, ACLU Michigan – Support
Aaron Van Langevelede, Michigan Department of Attorney General – Support
Chardae Burton, MI Department of Health and Human Services – Support SB’s 428-430
Anne Kuhnen, Kids Court Director, MI League for Public Policy – Support
Jennifer Wyatt, CEO Action for Racial Equity – Support
Nathan Triplett, State Bar of Michigan - Support
The Chair moved to excuse absent members from the meeting. Without objection, Sen.(s) Wojno and Santana
were excused from the meeting.
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 1:26 p.m.
Date adopted by committee: 09/28/23
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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON CRIMINAL JUSTICE
REP. KARA HOPE
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, September 26, 2023
9:00 AM
Room 519, House Office Building
The House Committee on Criminal Justice was called to order by Chair Hope.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou, Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Tyrone Carter moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 19, 2023.
There being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4945 and HB 4946 before the committee:
HB 4945
(Rep. O'Neal)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 175, entitled "The code
of criminal procedure," by amending section 16m
of chapter XVII (MCL 777.16m), as amended by
2023 PA 22.
HB 4946
(Rep. O'Neal)
A bill to amend 1931 PA 328, entitled "The
Michigan penal code," by amending section 224f
(MCL 750.224f), as amended by 2014 PA 4.
Heath B. Lowry, representing the Michigan Coalition to End Domestic and Sexual Violence,
testified in support of HB 4945 and HB 4946. Questions and discussion followed.
Representative O'Neal, testified in support of HB 4945 and HB 4946. Questions and
discussion followed.
Kazia Kelly, representing herself, testified in support of HB 4945 and HB 4946.
Rick and Martha Omilian, representing Moms Demand Action, testified in support of HB
4945 and HB 4946.
Jen Pauliukonis, representing herself, testified in support of HB 4945 and HB 4946.
Dr. April Zeoli, representing The Institute on Firearm Injury Prevention, testified in support
of HB 4945 and HB 4946. Questions and discussion followed.
Danielle Russo Bennetts and Linus Banghart-Linn, both representing the Michigan
Department of Attorney General, testified in support of HB 4945 and HB 4946. Questions
and discussion followed.
Tom Lambert, representing Michigan Open Carry, testified in opposition to HB 4945 and HB
4946.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4945 and HB 4946, but did not wish
to speak:
Jess Averill, representing the Michigan Domestic and Sexual Violence Prevention and
Treatment Board.
Lizbeth Estes, representing Indivisible Huron Valley - Statewide Indivisible Michigan.
Sarah Moore, representing Indivisible Huron Valley.
Sherri Masson, representing End Gun Violence Michigan, Brady, and Statewide
Indivisible Michigan.
Ramya Swami, representing the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.
Matt Black, representing the Michigan Academy of Family Physicians.
Catherine Tang, representing Everytown for Gun Safety.
Linda Danders, representing Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America.
Catherine Marshall, representing Moms Demand Action / End Gun Violence Michigan.
Melina Brann, representing the NASW - Michigan.
Megan Reynolds, representing the Michigan Poverty Law Program.
Trooper Kristina Droste, representing the Michigan State Police.
The Chair laid HB 4624, HB 4625, HB 4626, HB 4627, HB 4628, HB 4629, HB 4630, HB
4631, HB 4632 and HB 4633 before the committee:
HB 4624
(Rep. Morse)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 280, entitled "The social
welfare act," by amending section 117a (MCL
400.117a), as amended by 2019 PA 114.
HB 4625
(Rep. Brenda Carter)
A bill to amend 1988 PA 13, entitled "Juvenile
diversion act," by amending sections 2, 3, 6, and 9
(MCL 722.822, 722.823, 722.826, and 722.829),
section 2 as amended by 2019 PA 101 and section
6 as amended by 1996 PA 137.
HB 4626
(Rep. Hope)
A bill to amend 1988 PA 13, entitled "Juvenile
diversion act," by amending sections 5 and 6
(MCL 722.825 and 722.826), as amended by 1996
PA 137.
HB 4627
(Rep. Tsernoglou)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 288, entitled "Probate
code of 1939," by amending section 18 of chapter
XIIA (MCL 712A.18), as amended by 2022 PA
209.
HB 4628
(Rep. Brabec)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 288, entitled "Probate
code of 1939," by amending section 2f of chapter
XIIA (MCL 712A.2f), as added by 2016 PA 185.
HB 4629
(Rep. O'Neal)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 288, entitled "Probate
code of 1939," by amending sections 15 and 16 of
chapter XIIA (MCL 712A.15 and 712A.16),
section 15 as amended by 2020 PA 389 and
section 16 as amended by 2019 PA 102.
HB 4630
(Rep. Lightner)
A bill to amend 2013 PA 93, entitled "Michigan
indigent defense commission act," by amending
the title and sections 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 21,
and 23 (MCL 780.983, 780.985, 780.987,
780.989, 780.991, 780.993, 780.995, 780.997,
780.1001, and 780.1003), section 3 as amended by
2019 PA 108, sections 5, 9, 11, 13, 15, and 17 as
amended by 2018 PA 214, and section 7 as
amended by 2018 PA 443.
HB 4631
(Rep. Lightner)
A bill to amend 1978 PA 620, entitled "Appellate
defender act," by amending the title and sections
2, 4, 6, and 7 (MCL 780.712, 780.714, 780.716,
and 780.717) and by adding sections 1a and 8a.
HB 4632
(Rep. Mueller)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 280, entitled "The social
welfare act," (MCL 400.1 to 400.119b) by adding
section 117k.
HB 4633
(Rep. Breen)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 288, entitled "Probate
code of 1939," by amending sections 2d, 2f, and 4
of chapter XIIA (MCL 712A.2d, 712A.2f, and
712A.4), section 2d as amended by 2020 PA 389,
section 2f as added by 2016 PA 185, and section 4
as amended by 1996 PA 409.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4624, HB 4625, HB 4626, HB 4627,
HB 4628, HB 4629, HB 4630, HB 4631, HB 4632 and HB 4633, but did not wish to speak:
Trevor VanDyke, representing the State Court Administrative Office.
Sam Gibson, representing the Michigan Association of Counties.
Aaron Van Langevelde, representing the Michigan Department of Attorney General.
Tom Hickson, representing the Michigan Catholic Conference.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4624, HB 4625, HB 4626, HB 4627,
HB 4628, HB 4629, HB 4630 and HB 4631, but did not wish to speak:
Nathan Triplett, representing the State Bar of Michigan.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4624, HB 4625, HB 4627, HB 4628,
HB 4629 and HB 4633, but did not wish to speak:
Michelle Roberts, representing Disability Rights Michigan.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4627, but did not wish to speak:
Kate Hude, representing the Michigan Association of Treatment Court Professionals.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4631, but did not wish to speak:
Chardae Burton, representing the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services.
Representative Andrews moved to adopt substitute (H-2) to HB 4624. The motion prevailed
8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Tyrone Carter moved to report out HB 4624 with recommendation, as
substitute (H-2). The motion prevailed 8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Breen moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4625. The motion prevailed 8-0-
5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Young moved to report out HB 4625 with recommendation, as substitute (H-
1). The motion prevailed 8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Arbit moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4626. The motion prevailed 8-0-
5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Dievendorf moved to report out HB 4626 with recommendation, as substitute
(H-1). The motion prevailed 8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Tsernoglou moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4627. The motion
prevailed 8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Andrews moved to report out HB 4627 with recommendation, as substitute
(H-1). The motion prevailed 8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Tyrone Carter moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4628. The motion
prevailed 8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Breen moved to report out HB 4628 with recommendation, as substitute (H-
1). The motion prevailed 8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Young moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4629. The motion prevailed 8-
2-3:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Filler, Bezotte.
Pass: Reps. Mueller, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Arbit moved to report out HB 4629 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 8-2-3:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Filler, Bezotte.
Pass: Reps. Mueller, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Dievendorf moved to adopt substitute (H-2) to HB 4630. The motion
prevailed 8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Tsernoglou moved to report out HB 4630 with recommendation, as substitute
(H-2). The motion prevailed 8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Andrews moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4631. The motion prevailed
8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Tyrone Carter moved to report out HB 4631 with recommendation, as
substitute (H-1). The motion prevailed 8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Breen moved to report out HB 4632 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 9-0-4:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou, Mueller.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Young moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4633. The motion prevailed 8-
5-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Pass: None.
Representative Arbit moved to report out HB 4633 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 8-5-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 4718 before the committee:
HB 4718
(Rep. Pohutsky)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 175, entitled "The code
of criminal procedure," (MCL 760.1 to 777.69) by
adding section 21d to chapter VIII.
Representative Pohutsky testified in support of HB 4718.
Emme Zanotti, representing Equality Michigan, testified in support of HB 4718.
Dakota Torolski, representing the Human Rights Campaign, testified in support of HB 4718.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4718, but due to the time constraints
was unable to speak:
Angie Martell, representing the National LGBTQ+ Bar Associaton, and the LGBTQ+
Law Section of the State Bar of Michigan.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Hope adjourned the meeting at
10:22 AM.
Representative Kara Hope, Chair
Melissa Sweet
Committee Clerk
msweet@house.mi.gov


evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION
REP. MATT KOLESZAR
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, September 26, 2023
9:00 AM
Room 521, House Office Building
The House Committee on Education was called to order by Chair Koleszar.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Koleszar, Churches, Shannon, Stone, Weiss, Glanville, Conlin, Edwards,
Wegela, Greene, Markkanen, Paquette, Wendzel, Johnsen.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representatives Paquette and Wendzel joined the committee remotely.
Representative Glanville moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 19, 2023.
There being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 5021 before the committee:
HB 5021
(Rep. Koleszar)
A bill to amend 1980 PA 300, entitled "The public
school employees retirement act of 1979," by
amending section 81d (MCL 38.1381d), as
amended by 2017 PA 92.
At 9:04 AM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 9:05 AM, Majority Vice Chair Churches called the committee back to order.
Chair Koleszar testified in support of HB 5021. Questions and discussion followed.
At 9:20 AM, Majority Vice Chair Churches laid the committee at ease.
At 9:21 AM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
Anthony Estell, representing the Michigan Department of Technology, Management and
Budget Office of Retirement Services, testified in support of HB 5021. Questions and
discussion followed.
Todd Tennis, representing the Coalition for Secure Retirement, testified in support of HB
5021. Questions and discussion followed.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 5021, but did not wish to speak:
Andy Neumann, representing the Michigan Education Association.
Royce Humm, representing the Michigan Association of Retired School Personnel.
Dr. Sheryl Kennedy, representing the Michigan Department of Education.
Mike Latvis, representing the Wayne County Regional Educational Service Agency.
Jenell Mansfield, representing the The American Federation of Teachers- Michigan.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Koleszar adjourned the meeting
at 9:56 AM.
Representative Matt Koleszar, Chair
Legan Rose
Committee Clerk
LRose@house.mi.gov
Date Adopted: October 3,
2023


evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON ELECTIONS
REP. PENELOPE TSERNOGLOU
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, September 26, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 327, House Office Building
The House Committee on Elections was called to order by Chair Tsernoglou.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Tsernoglou, Wegela, Hope, Koleszar, Byrnes, Churches, Smit, DeBoyer.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative DeBoyer moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 19, 2023.
There being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4983, HB 4984, HB 4985 and HB 4986 before the committee:
HB 4983
(Rep. Tsernoglou)
A bill to amend 1954 PA 116, entitled "Michigan
election law," by amending sections 493a, 500a,
501, 509o, 509q, and 509r (MCL 168.493a,
168.500a, 168.501, 168.509o, 168.509q, and
168.509r), section 493a as added by 2018 PA 603,
sections 500a, 501, and 509r as amended by 2018
PA 125, section 509o as amended by 2022 PA 195,
and section 509q as amended by 2020 PA 302, and
by adding section 493b.
HB 4984
(Rep. Skaggs)
A bill to amend 1949 PA 300, entitled "Michigan
vehicle code," by amending section 307 (MCL
257.307), as amended by 2020 PA 376.
HB 4985
(Rep. Dievendorf)
A bill to amend 1972 PA 222, entitled "An act to
provide for an official personal identification card;
to provide for its form, issuance and use; to
regulate the use and disclosure of information
obtained from the card; to prescribe the powers
and duties of the secretary of state; to prescribe
fees; to prescribe certain penalties for violations;
and to provide an appropriation for certain
purposes," by amending section 1 (MCL 28.291),
as amended by 2021 PA 105.
HB 4986
(Rep. Wilson)
A bill to amend 2008 PA 23, entitled "Enhanced
driver license and enhanced official state personal
identification card act," by amending section 5
(MCL 28.305), as amended by 2021 PA 106.
At 10:32 AM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 10:32 AM, Majority Vice Chair Wegela called the committee back to order.
Representative Tsernoglou, and Neal Ubriani, representing the Institute for Responsible
Government, testified in support of HB 4983, HB 4984, HB 4985 and HB 4986. Questions
and discussion followed.
At 10:54 AM, Majority Vice Chair Wegela laid the committee at ease.
At 10:54 AM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
Daniel Baxter, representing the City of Detroit Clerk's Office, testified in support of HB
4983, HB 4984, HB 4985 and HB 4986.
Erin Schor, representing the Michigan Department of State, testified in support of HB 4983,
HB 4984, HB 4985 and HB 4986. Questions and discussion followed.
Canton Township Clerk Michael Siegrist testified in support of HB 4983, HB 4984, HB 4985
and HB 4986.
Melanie Macey and Erica Peresman, representing Promote The Vote, testified in support of
HB 4983, HB 4984, HB 4985 and HB 4986.
Ricky Servantez Bicknell, representing Voters Not Politicians, testified in support of HB
4983, HB 4984, HB 4985 and HB 4986.
Marcus Cheatham, representing Healthy Democracy Healthy People, testified in support of
HB 4983.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4983, but did not wish to speak:
Ashiya Brown, representing All Voting Is Local Action Michigan.
John Lindback, representing the National Vote at Home Institute.
Matt Patton, representing Protect Democracy.
Lata Nott, representing Voting Rights at Campaign Legal Center.
Brad Williams, representing the Detroit Regional Chamber.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4983, HB 4984, HB 4985 and HB
4986, but did not wish to speak:
Thomas Luckett, representing the Michigan Democratic Party.
Merissa Kovach, representing the American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan.
Nick Occhipinti, representing the Michigan League of Conservation Voters.
Bill Zaagman, representing the Michigan Association of County Clerks and the Michigan
Association of Municipal Clerks.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4983, HB 4984, HB 4985 and HB
4986, but did not wish to speak:
Sheri Ritchie and Darlene Hennessy, representing Pure Integrity Michigan Elections,
Michigan Fair Elections, StandUp Michigan, and the Freedom Alliance.
The Chair laid SB 385 before the committee:
SB 385
(Sen. Geiss)
A bill to amend 1954 PA 116, entitled "Michigan
election law," by amending section 677 (MCL
168.677), as amended by 2018 PA 120.
The following person submitted a card in support of SB 385, but did not wish to speak:
Dave Hodgkins, representing the Michigan Municipal League.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to SB 385, but did not wish to speak:
Sheri Ritchie and Darlene Hennessy, representing Pure Integrity Michigan Elections,
Michigan Fair Elections, StandUp Michigan, and the Freedom Alliance.
Representative Koleszar moved to report out SB 385 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 6-0-2:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Tsernoglou, Wegela, Hope, Koleszar, Byrnes, Churches.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Smit, DeBoyer.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Tsernoglou adjourned the
meeting at 11:18 AM.
Representative Penelope Tsernoglou, Chair
Edward Sleeper
Committee Clerk
esleeper@house.mi.gov


evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON FAMILIES, CHILDREN AND SENIORS
REP. STEPHANIE A. YOUNG
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, September 26, 2023
12:00 PM
Room 326, House Office Building
The House Committee on Families, Children and Seniors was called to order by Chair Young.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Young, Coffia, Glanville, Arbit, Edwards, MacDonell, Wozniak, Fox,
Johnsen, Thompson.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Coffia moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 19, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4085 and HB 4086 before the committee:
HB 4085
(Rep. Stone)
A bill to amend 1973 PA 116, entitled "An act to
provide for the protection of children through the
licensing and regulation of child care
organizations; to provide for the establishment of
standards of care for child care organizations; to
prescribe powers and duties of certain departments
of this state and adoption facilitators; to provide
penalties; and to repeal acts and parts of acts," by
amending section 1 (MCL 722.111), as amended
by 2022 PA 208, and by adding section 1b.
HB 4086
(Rep. Roth)
A bill to amend 1973 PA 116, entitled "An act to
provide for the protection of children through the
licensing and regulation of child care
organizations; to provide for the establishment of
standards of care for child care organizations; to
prescribe powers and duties of certain departments
of this state and adoption facilitators; to provide
penalties; and to repeal acts and parts of acts," by
amending section 1 (MCL 722.111), as amended
by 2022 PA 208.
Katherine Bussard testified in opposition of HB 4085 and HB 4086.
Harrison Gloss, representing the Youth Protection Council, testified in support of HB 4085.
Representative Stone, Representative Roth, and Ben Moe, President of the Michigan Network
for Youth and Families, testified in support of HB 4085 and HB 4086. Questions and
discussion followed.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4085 and HB 4086, but did not wish
to speak:
Bobby Doringo Jones, representing Michigan's Children.
Tom Hickson, representing the Michigan Catholic Conference.
Danielle Sirianni, representing the Michigan County Social Service Association.
Chardae Burton, representing the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services.
Representative Glanville moved to adopt substitute (H-4) to HB 4085. The motion prevailed
6-4-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Young, Coffia, Glanville, Arbit, Edwards, MacDonell.
Nays: Reps. Wozniak, Fox, Johnsen, Thompson.
Pass: None.
Representative Arbit moved to report out HB 4085 with recommendation, as substitute (H-4).
The motion prevailed 6-4-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Young, Coffia, Glanville, Arbit, Edwards, MacDonell.
Nays: Reps. Wozniak, Fox, Johnsen, Thompson.
Pass: None.
Representative Coffia moved to adopt substitute (H-3) to HB 4086. The motion prevailed 6-
4-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Young, Coffia, Glanville, Arbit, Edwards, MacDonell.
Nays: Reps. Wozniak, Fox, Johnsen, Thompson.
Pass: None.
Representative Glanville moved to report out HB 4086 with recommendation, as substitute
(H-3). The motion prevailed 6-4-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Young, Coffia, Glanville, Arbit, Edwards, MacDonell.
Nays: Reps. Wozniak, Fox, Johnsen, Thompson.
Pass: None.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Young adjourned the meeting at
12:26 AM.
Representative Stephanie A. Young, Chair
Nicholas Gewirtz
Acting Committee Clerk
ngewirtz@house.mi.gov