evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON INSURANCE AND FINANCIAL SERVICES
REP. BRENDA CARTER
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, September 14, 2023
9:00 AM
Room 521, House Office Building
The House Committee on Insurance and Financial Services was called to order by Chair
Brenda Carter.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Brenda Carter, McFall, Coleman, Stone, Breen, Rogers, Scott, Young,
Fitzgerald, Grant, Harris, Markkanen, Bezotte, Aragona, Bruck, Neyer, Smit.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Scott moved to adopt the meeting minutes from June 22, 2023. There being
no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4131 before the committee:
HB 4131
(Rep. Liberati)
A bill to amend 1956 PA 218, entitled "The
insurance code of 1956," by amending section
3476 (MCL 500.3476), as amended by 2020 PA
97.
Representative Rogers moved to refer HB 4131 to the Committee on Health Policy. The
motion prevailed 15-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Brenda Carter, McFall, Coleman, Stone, Rogers, Scott, Young, Fitzgerald,
Grant, Harris, Markkanen, Bezotte, Bruck, Neyer, Smit.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid SB 356, SB 357 and SB 358 before the committee:
SB 356
(Sen. Hertel)
A bill to amend 1956 PA 218, entitled "The
insurance code of 1956," by amending section
2212a (MCL 500.2212a), as amended by 2016 PA
276.
SB 357
(Sen. Cavanagh)
A bill to amend 1956 PA 218, entitled "The
insurance code of 1956," by amending section
2213b (MCL 500.2213b), as amended by 2016 PA
276, and by adding section 2213e.
SB 358
(Sen. Klinefelt)
A bill to amend 1956 PA 218, entitled "The
insurance code of 1956," (MCL 500.100 to
500.8302) by adding section 3406z.
Senator Hertel testified in support of SB 356, SB 357 and SB 358. Questions and discussion
followed.
Jennifer Morse testified in support of SB 356, SB 357 and SB 358. Questions and discussion
followed.
Rachel Richards, representing the Michigan League for Public Policy, testified in support of
SB 356, SB 357 and SB 358.
The following people submitted a card in support of SB 356, SB 357 and SB 358, but did not
wish to speak:
Adam Carlson, representing the Michigan Hospital Association.
Kate Dorsey, representing the Michigan State Medical Society.
Joseph Sullivan, representing the Michigan Department of Insurance and Financial
Services.
Frank Waters, representing the Michigan Primary Care Association.
The Chair laid before the committee a presentation from FAIR Health
Donna Smith, representing FAIR Health as the Chief Client Officer, gave a presentation.
Questions and discussion followed.
Allison Schnieders, representing FAIR Health as the Deputy General Counsel, gave a
presentation. Questions and discussion followed.
There being no further business before the committee, Representative Young moved to
adjourn. Chair Brenda Carter adjourned the meeting at 9:57 AM.
Representative Brenda Carter, Chair
Justin Easter
Committee Clerk
jeaster@house.mi.gov


location: Room 326, House Office Building

meeting_state: held

evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON LABOR
REP. JIM HAADSMA
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, September 14, 2023
9:00 AM
Room 326, House Office Building
The House Committee on Labor was called to order by Chair Haadsma.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Haadsma, Mentzer, Koleszar, O'Neal, Andrews, Churches, Wegela,
Wozniak, Mueller, Kunse.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Koleszar moved to adopt the meeting minutes from June 22, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4688 before the committee:
HB 4688
(Rep. Haadsma)
A bill to amend 1947 PA 336, entitled "An act to
prohibit strikes by certain public employees; to
provide review from disciplinary action with
respect thereto; to provide for the mediation of
grievances and the holding of elections; to declare
and protect the rights and privileges of public
employees; to require certain provisions in
collective bargaining agreements; to prescribe
means of enforcement and penalties for the
violation of the provisions of this act; and to make
appropriations," by amending sections 11 and 15
(MCL 423.211 and 423.215), section 15 as
amended by 2023 PA 9.
Representative Mentzer moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4688. The motion prevailed
6-3-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Haadsma, Mentzer, Koleszar, O'Neal, Andrews, Churches.
Nays: Reps. Wozniak, Mueller, Kunse.
Pass: None.
Matt Sahr, representing the Michigan Professional Firefighters Union, testified in support of
HB 4688.
Dave Hodgkins, representing the Michigan Municipal League, and Scott Smith, representing
the City of Wyoming, testified in opposition to HB 4688. Questions and discussion followed.
Michael O'Heraon, representing the Michigan Professional Firefighters Union, testified in
support of HB 4688. Questions and discussion followed.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4688, but did not wish to speak:
Andy Neumann, representing the Michigan Education Association.
Yousef Rabhi, representing the Michigan Nurses Association.
Jenell Mansfield, representing the American Federation of Teachers of Michigan.
James Melnyk, representing the International Association of Fire Fighters Local 1188.
Mitch Tokarski, representing the Westland Firefighters.
Montgomery Nye, representing the Firefighters.
Guy Villet, representing the Plymouth Township Local 1496.
Gary Purdom, representing the Rochester Professional Firefighters Local 5234.
Geoff Lassers, representing the Michigan Professional Firefighters Union Local 1721.
Andrew Loudon, representing the Plymouth Township Fire Department Local 1496.
Darryl Curtis, representing Local 1557 Sterling Heights.
Jared Imlay, representing the Southfield Firefighters Local 1029.
Michael Adamo, representing 1561.
Joseph Stoltz, representing Fort Gratiot Local 5392.
Scott Bala and Tim Hermann, representing the Michigan Professional Firefighters Union.
Mike Olando, representing Novi Local 3232.
Christopher Jenuwine, representing the Shelby Township Firefighters Local 1338.
Steven Rzeppa, representing the American Federation of State, County and Municipal
Employees Council 25.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4688, but did not wish to speak:
Mike Batterbee, representing the Michigan Townships Association.
Steve Delie, representing the Mackinac Center for Public Policy.
Stephanie Johnson, representing the Michigan Association of Fire Chiefs.
Robert Stevenson, representing the Michigan Association of Chiefs of Police.
Angela Elsey, representing the Michigan Communications Directors Association.
Samantha Gibson, representing the Michigan Association of Counties.
Renee Beniak, representing the Michigan County Medical Care Facilities Council.
Matt Saxton, representing the Michigan Sheriff's Association.
John Fournier, representing the City of Ann Arbor.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Haadsma adjourned the meeting
at 10:01 AM.
Representative Jim Haadsma, Chair
Edward Sleeper
Committee Clerk
esleeper@house.mi.gov


location: Room 327, House Office Building

evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES, ENVIRONMENT, TOURISM AND OUTDOOR
RECREATION
REP. LAURIE POHUTSKY
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, September 14, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 327, House Office Building
The House Committee on Natural Resources, Environment, Tourism and Outdoor Recreation
was called to order by Chair Pohutsky.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Pohutsky, Hill, Shannon, Arbit, McFall, Paiz, Martin, Prestin, Schriver.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative McFall moved to adopt the meeting minutes from June 22, 2023. There being
no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
At 10:33 AM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 10:33 AM, Majority Vice Chair Hill called the committee back to order.
Majority Vice Chair Hill laid HB 4590 before the committee:
HB 4590
(Rep. Brenda Carter)
A bill to designate the monarch butterfly as the
official butterfly of the state of Michigan.
Johnathon Wertheimer, representing the Office of Representative Brenda Carter, gave
testimony in support of HB 4590. Questions and discussion followed.
Tina Herzbergt, President of the Sylvan Lake Garden Club, gave testimony in support of HB
4590. Questions and discussion followed.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4590, but did not wish to speak:
Justin Tomei, representing the Michigan United Conservation Clubs.
Dr. Nichole Keway Biber, representing the Anishinaabek Caucus.
There being no further business before the committee, Majority Vice Chair Hill adjourned the
meeting at 10:42 AM.
Representative Laurie Pohutsky, Chair
Legan Rose
Committee Clerk
LRose@house.mi.gov


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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND SMALL BUSINESS SUBCOMMITTEE ON
HOUSING
REP. KEVIN COLEMAN
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, September 14, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 326, House Office Building
The House Economic Development and Small Business Subcommittee on Housing was called to
order by Chair Coleman.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Coleman, Stone, Scott, Andrews, Grant, Tsernoglou, Aragona, Zorn, Fink,
DeBoyer.
Absent: Rep. Dievendorf.
Excused: Rep. Dievendorf.
Representative Tsernoglou moved to adopt the meeting minutes from May 18, 2023. There being
no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4891 before the committee:
HB 4891
(Rep. Andrews)
A bill to amend 1972 PA 348, entitled "An act to
regulate relationships between landlords and
tenants relative to rental agreements for rental
units; to regulate the payment, repayment, use and
investment of security deposits; to provide for
commencement and termination inventories of
rental units; to provide for termination
arrangements relative to rental units; to provide
for legal remedies; and to provide penalties,"
(MCL 554.601 to 554.616) by amending the title
and by adding section 7a.
Representative Andrews testified in support of HB 4891. Questions and discussion followed.
Erika Farley, representing the Rental Property Owners Association of Michigan, testified in
opposition to HB 4891. Questions and discussion followed.
William Lawrence, representing Rent Is Too Damn High testified, with a neutral position on HB
4891. Questions and discussion followed.
Kyle Richard, representing Rent Is Too Damn High, testified in support of HB 4891.
Kelsey Brianna, representing For Our Future Michigan, testified in support of HB 4891.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4891, but did not wish to speak:
Lisa Chapman, representing the Michigan Coalition Against Homelessness.
Rachel Richards, representing the Michigan League for Public Policy.
Jom Schaafsma, representing the Michigan Poverty Law Program.
Todd Tennis, representing the Center for Civil Justice.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4891, but did not wish to speak:
Rebecca Berke, representing Michigan Realtors.
Jim Kirsch, representing the Property Management Association of Michigan.
Forrest Wall, representing the Apartment Association of Michigan.
John Lindley, representing the Michigan Manufactured Housing Association.
Tim Langholz, representing the National Federation of Independent Business.
Representative Grant moved to excuse Representative Dievendorf from the meeting. There being
no objection the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
There being no further business before the subcommittee, Chair Coleman adjourned the meeting
at 11:15 AM.
Representative Kevin Coleman, Chair
Dakota Soda
Acting Committee Clerk
dsoda@house.mi.gov


location: Room 519, House Office Building

evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON HEALTH POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE ON BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
REP. FELICIA BRABEC
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, September 14, 2023
9:00 AM
Room 519, House Office Building
The House Health Policy Subcommittee on Behavioral Health was called to order by Chair
Brabec.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Brabec, Arbit, Pohutsky, Glanville, Edwards, MacDonell, Rheingans,
Schmaltz, Hoadley, St. Germaine, Thompson.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Glanville moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 7, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4081 before the committee:
HB 4081
(Rep. Brabec)
A bill to amend 1976 PA 451, entitled "The
revised school code," (MCL 380.1 to 380.1852) by
adding section 1173.
At 9:07 AM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 9:08 AM, Majority Vice Chair Arbit called the committee back to order.
Chair Brabec testified in support of HB 4081. Questions and discussion followed.
At 9:24 AM, Majority Vice Chair Arbit laid the committee at ease.
At 9:25 AM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
Samantha Zill and Rebekah Ward, both representing the Michigan School Counselor
Association, testified in support of HB 4081. Questions and discussion followed.
Dr. Sheryl Kennedy, representing the Michigan Department of Education, testified in
opposition to HB 4081. Questions and discussion followed.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4081, but did not wish to speak:
Ryan Fewins-Bliss, representing the Michigan College Access Network.
There being no further business before the subcommittee, Chair Brabec adjourned the
meeting at 9:48 AM.
Representative Felicia Brabec, Chair
Melissa Sweet
Committee Clerk
msweet@house.mi.gov


evidence_text:
MEMBERS:
SEN. DARRIN CAMILLERI, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. MARY CAVANAGH
SEN. THOMAS ALBERT, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON LABOR
SENATOR JOHN CHERRY
CHAIR
3600 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-0142
FAX: (517) 373-3938
**DRAFT**
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 14, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Labor was scheduled for Thursday, September 14, 2023, at 8:30 a.m., in
the 1300 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Reported SB 165 (S-1) ( Cherry) with recommendation.
2. Reported SB 166 (S-2) (Sen. McDonald Rivet) with recommendation.
3. Reported SB 167 (S-1) (Sen. Shink) with recommendation.
4. Testimony regarding HB 4438 (Rep. Breen) and HB 4439 (Rep. Bezotte).
The Chair called the meeting to order at 8:34 a.m.. He instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Cherry, Sen.(s) Camilleri, Cavanagh and Albert, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Camilleri to adopt the meeting minutes from June 27, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
Sen. Albert offered, and summarized, an Albert Amendment #1, to SB 165.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Albert to adopt the Albert Amendment #1 to SB 165. The vote was as
follows:
Yeas: Sen.(s) Albert
Nays: Chair Cherry, Sen.(s) Camilleri and Cavanagh
The motion failed and the amendment was not adopted.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Camilleri to report the (S-1) version of SB 165 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Cherry, Sen.(s) Camilleri and Cavanagh.
Nays: Sen.(s) Albert.
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
Sen. Albert offered, and summarized, an Albert Amendment #1, to SB 166.
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The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Albert to adopt the Albert Amendment #1 to SB 166. The vote was as
follows:
Yeas: Sen.(s) Albert
Nays: Chair Cherry, Sen.(s) Camilleri and Cavanagh
The motion failed and the amendment was not adopted.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Albert to adopt the (S-4) version of SB 166. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Sen.(s) Albert
Nays: Chair Cherry, Sen.(s) Camilleri and Cavanagh
The motion failed and the substitute was not adopted..
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Cavanagh to report the (S-2) version of SB 166 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Cherry, Sen.(s) Camilleri and Cavanagh.
Nays: Sen.(s) Albert.
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Camilleri to report the (S-1) version of SB 167 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Cherry, Sen.(s) Camilleri and Cavanagh.
Nays: Sen.(s) Albert.
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 165, SB
166 and SB 167:
Erik Bailey, Michigan State Employees Association – Support
Ray Sholtz, Michigan Corrections Organization – Support
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding HB 4438 and HB 4439:
Reps. Kelly Breen and Bob Bezotte – Support
Dan Pfannes, Michigan Sheriff's Association – Support
Chris Swanson, Genesee County Sheriff – Support
Michelle LaJoye, Kent County Sheriff – Support
Jon Picnataro and Joe Walker, Police Officers Association of Michigan – Support
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding HB 4438
and HB 4439:
Tim Sielinski, Resident – Support
Joe Strong, Jackson County Corrections – Support
Joe Bates, Calhoun County Deputy Sheriffs Association – Support
Ryan Steverson, Jackson County Corrections Association – Support
Matt Saxton, Michigan Sheriff's Association – Support
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding HB 4438:
Dan Hurley, Michigan Association of State Universities – Opposition
Steve Delie, Mackinac Center – Opposition
Madeline Fata, Michigan Association of Counties – Opposition
Bradley Richman, Capitol City Labor Program – Support
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There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 9:12 a.m.
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location: the 403 Room of the Capitol Building

evidence_text:
MEMBERS:
SEN. KRISTEN MCDONALD RIVET, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. SAM SINGH
SEN. ROSEMARY BAYER
SEN. SUE SHINK
SEN. KEVIN HERTEL
SEN. DARRIN CAMILLERI
SEN. STEPHANIE CHANG
SEN. DAYNA POLEHANKI
SEN. DAN LAUWERS, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. JOHN DAMOOSE
SEN. RICK OUTMAN
SEN. ROGER HAUCK
SEN. JOSEPH BELLINO
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND
ENVIRONMENT
SENATOR SEAN MCCANN
CHAIR
7100 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-5100
FAX: (517) 373-5115
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 14, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Energy and Environment was scheduled for Thursday, September 14,
2023, at 1:30 p.m., in the 403 Room of the Capitol Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Reported SB 277 (Sen. McDonald Rivet) with recommendation.
The Chair called the meeting to order at 1:34 p.m. He instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair McCann, Sen.(s) McDonald Rivet, Singh, Bayer, Shink, Hertel,
Camilleri, Chang, Polehanki, Lauwers, Damoose, Outman, Hauck, and Bellino, a quorum was present.
The Chair made a motion to adopt the meeting minutes from June 27, 2023. Without objection, the minutes
were adopted.
The Chair invited Sen. McDonald Rivet to further summarize SB 277.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 277:
Ed Rivet, Michigan Conservative Energy Forum – Support
The following cards were turned in of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding
SB 277:
Courtney Bourgoin, Evergreen Action – Support
Andrew Vermeesch, Michigan Farm Bureau – Neutral
Justin Carpenter, Michigan EIBC – Support
Nick Occhipinti, Michigan League of Conservation Voters – Support
Caroline Liethen, Michigan Manufacturers Association – Support
Ashley Steffen, Michigan Department of Agriculture and Rural Development – Support
Jim Murray, Summit Ridge Energy – Support
Jim Murray, Lightstar Renewables – Support
David Lossing, Huron River Watershed Council – Support
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The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Shink to report SB 277 to the floor with recommendation that it pass.
The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair McCann, Sen.(s) McDonald Rivet, Singh, Bayer, Shink, Hertel, Camilleri, Chang,
Polehanki, and Hauck
Nays: Sen.(s) Damoose, Outman, and Bellino
Abstain: Sen. Lauwers
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair invited Sen.(s) Geiss and Singh to provide updates on changes to SB 271 and SB 273.
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 2:40 p.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: September 20, 2023
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MEMBERS:
SEN. DAYNA POLEHANKI, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. SEAN MCCANN
SEN. PAUL WOJNO
SEN. SYLVIA SANTANA
SEN. KEVIN HERTEL
SEN. ROGER HAUCK, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. MICHAEL WEBBER
SEN. DAN LAUWERS
SEN. JOSEPH BELLINO
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON REGULATORY AFFAIRS
SENATOR JEREMY MOSS
CHAIR
132 CAPITOL BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7888
FAX: (517) 373-2983
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 14, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Regulatory Affairs was scheduled for Thursday, September 14, 2023, at
8:30 a.m., in the 1100 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Testimony regarding SB 328 (Sen. Hertel).
2. Testimony regarding SB 466 (Sen. McDonald Rivet)
3. Testimony regarding HB 4561 (Rep. Liberati).
The Chair called the meeting to order at 8:30 a.m.. He instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Moss, Sen.(s) Polehanki, McCann, Wojno, Santana, Hertel, Hauck,
Webber, Lauwers and Bellino, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Polehanki to adopt the meeting minutes from June 13, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair invited Senator Hertel to explain SB 328. Member questions followed
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 328:
Erika Scheffer, Carrier Kidde – Support
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 328:
Derek Dalling, The Home Depot – Support
The Chair invited Senator McDonald Rivet to explain Senate Bill 466. Member questions followed.
The Chair invited Ashley Cecil from Representative Liberati to explain House Bill 4561.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding HB 4561:
Michael Mitchell, Markham Enterprises Inc – Opposed
Jerry Griffin, Michigan Independent Retailers Association – Opposed
Shelley Stahl, Anheuser-Busch – Support
David Marvin, Michigan Liquor Control Commission – Neutral
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Brett Visner, Michigan Beer and Wine Wholesalers – Support
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 9:15 a.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: October 5, 2023
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MEMBERS:
SEN. SUE SHINK, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. PAUL WOJNO
SEN. JEFF IRWIN
SEN. SYLVIA SANTANA
SEN. JIM RUNESTAD, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. RUTH JOHNSON
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON CIVIL RIGHTS,
JUDICIARY, AND PUBLIC SAFETY
SENATOR STEPHANIE CHANG
CHAIR
4100 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7346
FAX: (517) 373-9320
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 14, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Civil Rights, Judiciary, and Public Safety was scheduled for Thursday,
September 14, 2023, at 12:00 noon, in the 1200 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Testimony regarding SB 471 (Sen. Chang) and SB 472 (Sen. Chang).
The Chair called the meeting to order at 12:03 p.m.. He instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Chang, Sen.(s) Shink, Wojno, Irwin, Santana, Runestad and Johnson, a
quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Irwin to adopt the meeting minutes from September 12, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 471 and SB 472:
MI Domestic & Sexual Violence Prevention & Treatment Board – Support
Raya Swami BRADY United Against Gun Violence – Support
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 1:28 p.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: September 19, 2023
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evidence_text:
MEMBERS:
SEN. MARY CAVANAGH, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. DAYNA POLEHANKI
SEN. JOHN CHERRY
SEN. KRISTEN MCDONALD RIVET
SEN. JEREMY MOSS
SEN. ERIKA GEISS
SEN. ROGER VICTORY, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. JONATHAN LINDSEY
SEN. MICHAEL WEBBER
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON ECONOMIC AND
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
SENATOR MALLORY MCMORROW
CHAIR
6100 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-2523
FAX: (517) 373-5669
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 14, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Economic and Community Development was scheduled for Thursday,
September 14, 2023, at 12:00 noon, in the 1100 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Testimony regarding HB 4573 (Rep. Glanville).
The Chair called the meeting to order at 12:00 noon. She instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair McMorrow, Sen.(s) Cavanagh, Polehanki, Cherry, McDonald Rivet,
Moss, Geiss, Victory, Lindsey and Webber, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Victory to adopt the meeting minutes from June 20, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair invited Representative Glanville to explain House Bill 4573. Member questions followed.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding HB 4573:
Katie Witkowski, MCCA – Support
Dr. Michael Gavin, President of Delta College – Support
Julie Parks, GRCC – Support
Kristen Charlton, Oakland Community College – Support
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding HB 4573:
Brian Shoaf, Detroit Chamber of Commerce – Support
Dr. Trevor Kubatzke, Lake MI College – Support
Ryan Hundt, MI Works Assoc. – Support
Gabriel Schneider, NMC Northern Strategies 360 – Support
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 12:35 p.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: October 5, 2023
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evidence_text:
MEMBERS:
SEN. DARRIN CAMILLERI, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. MARY CAVANAGH
SEN. THOMAS ALBERT, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON LABOR
SENATOR JOHN CHERRY
CHAIR
3600 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-0142
FAX: (517) 373-3938
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 14, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Labor was scheduled for Thursday, September 14, 2023, at 8:30 a.m., in
the 1300 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Reported SB 165 (S-1) ( Cherry) with recommendation.
2. Reported SB 166 (S-2) (Sen. McDonald Rivet) with recommendation.
3. Reported SB 167 (S-1) (Sen. Shink) with recommendation.
4. Testimony regarding HB 4438 (Rep. Breen) and HB 4439 (Rep. Bezotte).
The Chair called the meeting to order at 8:34 a.m.. He instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Cherry, Sen.(s) Camilleri, Cavanagh and Albert, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Camilleri to adopt the meeting minutes from June 27, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
Sen. Albert offered, and summarized, an Albert Amendment #1, to SB 165.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Albert to adopt the Albert Amendment #1 to SB 165. The vote was as
follows:
Yeas: Sen.(s) Albert
Nays: Chair Cherry, Sen.(s) Camilleri and Cavanagh
The motion failed and the amendment was not adopted.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Camilleri to report the (S-1) version of SB 165 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Cherry, Sen.(s) Camilleri and Cavanagh.
Nays: Sen.(s) Albert.
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
Sen. Albert offered, and summarized, an Albert Amendment #1, to SB 166.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Albert to adopt the Albert Amendment #1 to SB 166. The vote was as
follows:
Yeas: Sen.(s) Albert
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Nays: Chair Cherry, Sen.(s) Camilleri and Cavanagh
The motion failed and the amendment was not adopted.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Albert to adopt the (S-4) version of SB 166. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Sen.(s) Albert
Nays: Chair Cherry, Sen.(s) Camilleri and Cavanagh
The motion failed and the substitute was not adopted..
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Cavanagh to report the (S-2) version of SB 166 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Cherry, Sen.(s) Camilleri and Cavanagh.
Nays: Sen.(s) Albert.
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Camilleri to report the (S-1) version of SB 167 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Cherry, Sen.(s) Camilleri and Cavanagh.
Nays: Sen.(s) Albert.
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 165, SB
166 and SB 167:
Erik Bailey, Michigan State Employees Association – Support
Ray Sholtz, Michigan Corrections Organization – Support
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding HB 4438 and HB 4439:
Reps. Kelly Breen and Bob Bezotte – Support
Dan Pfannes, Michigan Sheriff's Association – Support
Chris Swanson, Genesee County Sheriff – Support
Michelle LaJoye, Kent County Sheriff – Support
Jon Picnataro and Joe Walker, Police Officers Association of Michigan – Support
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding HB 4438
and HB 4439:
Tim Sielinski, Resident – Support
Joe Strong, Jackson County Corrections – Support
Joe Bates, Calhoun County Deputy Sheriffs Association – Support
Ryan Steverson, Jackson County Corrections Association – Support
Matt Saxton, Michigan Sheriff's Association – Support
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding HB 4438:
Dan Hurley, Michigan Association of State Universities – Opposition
Steve Delie, Mackinac Center – Opposition
Madeline Fata, Michigan Association of Counties – Opposition
Bradley Richman, Capitol City Labor Program – Support
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 9:12 a.m.
Date adopted by committee: 09/21/23
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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
REP. ANGELA WITWER
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, September 19,
2023
10:45
AM
Room 352, House Appropriations, State Capitol
Building
The House Committee on Appropriations was called to order by Chair Witwer.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson, Lightner, Bollin, Green, Slagh,
Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette, Steele.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative O'Neal moved to adopt the meeting minutes from June 27, 2023. There being no
objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid Legislative Transfer Package 2023-7 before the committee.
Viola Bay Wild, representing the House Fiscal Agency, testified to Legislative Transfer Package
2023-7. Questions and discussion followed.
Ben Gielczyk and Sydney Brown, both representing the House Fiscal Agency, approached to
answer questions from members.
Representative Steckloff made a motion to approve Legislative Transfer Request 2023-7. The
motion prevailed 18-1-10:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson, Slagh.
Nays: Rep. Steele.
Pass: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette.
The Chair laid HB 5006 before the committee:
HB 5006
(Rep. Snyder)
A bill to amend 2000 PA 489, entitled "Michigan
trust fund act," by amending section 7 (MCL
12.257), as amended by 2020 PA 171.
Viola Bay Wild and Ben Gielczyk, both representing the House Fiscal Agency, testified to
proposed substitute (H-1) to HB 5006. Questions and discussion followed.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 5006, but did not wish to speak:
Mike Spence, representing the Southeast Michigan Council of Governments.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to HB 5006, but did not wish to speak:
Brian Shoaf, representing the Detroit Regional Chamber.
Representative Snyder moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 5006. The motion prevailed 17-12-
0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn,
Schuette, Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Martus moved to report out HB 5006 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 17-12-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn,
Schuette, Steele.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 4992 before the committee:
HB 4992
(Rep. Brabec)
A bill to amend 1964 PA 284, entitled "City
income tax act," by amending sections 6 and 9 of
chapter 1 and sections 3, 73, 84, 85, 86a, 86b, 86c,
91, 92, and 93 of chapter 2 (MCL 141.506,
141.509, 141.603, 141.673, 141.684, 141.685,
141.686a, 141.686b, 141.686c, 141.691, 141.692,
and 141.693), section 6 of chapter 1 as amended
and sections 86a, 86b, and 86c of chapter 2 as
added by 2018 PA 456 and section 9 of chapter 1
as added and sections 3, 73, 84, 85, 92, and 93 of
chapter 2 as amended by 1996 PA 478, and by
adding section 92a to chapter 2.
Ben Gielczyk, representing the House Fiscal Agency, testified on HB 4992. Questions and
discussion followed.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4992, but did not wish to speak:
Rob Mass, representing the Michigan Department of Treasury.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4992, but did not wish to speak:
Brian Shoaf, representing the Detroit Regional Chamber.
Tim Langholz, representing the National Federation of Independent Business.
Representative Brabec moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4992. The motion prevailed 17-12-
0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn,
Schuette, Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Wilson moved to report out HB 4992 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 17-12-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn,
Schuette, Steele.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 5002 before the committee:
HB 5002
(Rep. Rogers)
A bill to amend 1980 PA 300, entitled "The public
school employees retirement act of 1979," by
amending section 41 (MCL 38.1341), as amended
by 2022 PA 220.
Ben Gielczyk, representing the House Fiscal Agency, testified on HB 5002. Questions and
discussion followed.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 5002 (H-1), but did not wish to speak:
Deanna Hemmila, representing Northern Michigan University.
Megan Morris, representing Central Michigan University.
Chad Wing, representing Eastern Michigan University.
Fred Shaible, representing Western Michigan University.
Dan Eichinger, representing Ferris State University.
Bill Kordenbrock, representing Michigan Technological University.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to HB 5002, but did not wish to speak:
Brian Shoaf, representing the Detroit Regional Chamber.
Representative Steckloff moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 5002. The motion prevailed 18-
1-10:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson, Slagh.
Nays: Rep. Steele.
Pass: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette.
Representative Weiss moved to report out HB 5002 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 18-1-10:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson, Slagh.
Nays: Rep. Steele.
Pass: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette.
The Chair laid HB 4998 and HB 4999 before the committee:
HB 4998
(Rep. Mentzer)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 141, entitled "Grain
dealers act," by amending section 7 (MCL
285.67), as amended by 2004 PA 274.
HB 4999
(Rep. Mentzer)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 141, entitled "Grain
dealers act," by amending section 6 (MCL
285.66), as amended by 2002 PA 80.
Bill Hamilton, representing the House Fiscal Agency, testified on HB 4998.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4998 and HB 4999, but did not wish to
speak:
Ashley Steffen, representing the Michigan Department of Agriculture and Rural
Development.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to HB 4998 and HB 4999, but did not wish
to speak:
Brian Shoaf, representing the Detroit Regional Chamber.
Representative Morse moved to report out HB 4998 with recommendation. The motion prevailed
17-12-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn,
Schuette, Steele.
Pass: None.
Bill Hamilton, representing the House Fiscal Agency, testified on HB 4999. Questions and
discussion followed.
Representative McKinney moved to report out HB 4999 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 17-12-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn,
Schuette, Steele.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 5001 before the committee:
HB 5001
(Rep. Puri)
A bill to amend 2003 PA 198, entitled "Farm
produce insurance act," by amending section 7
(MCL 285.317), as amended by 2016 PA 264.
Bill Hamilton, representing the House Fiscal Agency, testified on HB 5001.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 5001, but did not wish to speak:
Ashley Steffen, representing the Michigan Department of Agriculture and Rural
Development.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to HB 5001, but did not wish to speak:
Brian Shoaf, representing the Detroit Regional Chamber.
Representative Martus moved to report out HB 5001 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 17-11-1:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
Pass: Rep. Slagh.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Witwer adjourned the meeting at
11:29 AM.
Representative Angela Witwer, Chair
Dakota Soda
Committee Clerk
dsoda@house.mi.gov


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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON CRIMINAL JUSTICE
REP. KARA HOPE
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, September 19,
2023
9:00
AM
Room 352, House Appropriations, State Capitol
Building
The House Committee on Criminal Justice was called to order by Chair Hope.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou, Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Tsernoglou moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 12, 2023.
There being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The House Committee on Criminal Justice met jointly with the Senate Committee on Civil
Rights, Judiciary, and Public Safety.
The Chair laid HB 4630, HB 4631, HB 4632 and HB 4633 before the committee:
HB 4630
(Rep. Lightner)
A bill to amend 2013 PA 93, entitled "Michigan
indigent defense commission act," by amending
the title and sections 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 21,
and 23 (MCL 780.983, 780.985, 780.987,
780.989, 780.991, 780.993, 780.995, 780.997,
780.1001, and 780.1003), section 3 as amended by
2019 PA 108, sections 5, 9, 11, 13, 15, and 17 as
amended by 2018 PA 214, and section 7 as
amended by 2018 PA 443.
HB 4631
(Rep. Lightner)
A bill to amend 1978 PA 620, entitled "Appellate
defender act," by amending the title and sections
2, 4, 6, and 7 (MCL 780.712, 780.714, 780.716,
and 780.717) and by adding sections 1a and 8a.
HB 4632
(Rep. Mueller)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 280, entitled "The social
welfare act," (MCL 400.1 to 400.119b) by adding
section 117k.
HB 4633
(Rep. Breen)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 288, entitled "Probate
code of 1939," by amending sections 2d, 2f, and 4
of chapter XIIA (MCL 712A.2d, 712A.2f, and
712A.4), section 2d as amended by 2020 PA 389,
section 2f as added by 2016 PA 185, and section 4
as amended by 1996 PA 409.
Representative Lightner, Representative Mueller, Senator Shink, Jonathan Sacks and Brad
Hall, both representing the State Appellate Defender Office, testified in support of HB 4630,
HB 4631, HB 4632 and HB 4633. Questions and discussion followed.
Marcela Westrate, representing the Michigan Indigent Defense Commission, testified in
support of HB 4630. Questions and discussion followed.
Samantha Gibson, representing the Michigan Association of Counties, testified in support of
HB 4630. Questions and discussion followed.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4630, HB 4631, HB 4632 and HB
4633, but did not wish to speak:
Jen Peacock, representing the Michigan Center for Youth Justice.
Aaron Van Langevelde, representing the Michigan Department of Attorney General.
Gabrielle Dresner, representing the ACLU of Michigan.
Tom Hickson, representing the Michigan Catholic Conference.
Samantha Gibson, representing the Michigan Association of Counties.
Trevor VanDyke, representing the State Court Administrative Office.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4630 and HB 4631, but did not wish
to speak:
Nathan Triplett, representing the State Bar of Michigan.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4632 and HB 4633, but did not wish
to speak:
Chardae Burton, representing the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4630, but did not wish to speak:
Paige Fults, representing the Michigan Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs.
At 9:33 AM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 9:34 AM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
The Chair laid HB 4634, HB 4635, HB 4637, HB 4638, HB 4639, HB 4640, HB 4641, HB
4642, HB 4643 and HB 4636 before the committee:
HB 4634
(Rep. Hope)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 288, entitled "Probate
code of 1939," by amending sections 2f, 18, 28,
and 29 (MCL 712A.2f, 712A.18, 712A.28, and
712A.29), section 2f as added by 2016 PA 185,
section 18 as amended by 2022 PA 209, section 28
as amended by 2020 PA 362, and section 29 as
amended by 2003 PA 74, and by adding section
29a to chapter XIIA; and to repeal acts and parts
of acts.
HB 4635
(Rep. Andrews)
A bill to amend 1990 PA 250, entitled "DNA
identification profiling system act," by amending
section 6 (MCL 28.176), as amended by 2018 PA
310.
HB 4636
(Rep. Dievendorf)
A bill to amend 1961 PA 236, entitled "Revised
judicature act of 1961," by amending section 4803
(MCL 600.4803), as amended by 1996 PA 374.
HB 4638
(Rep. Hoskins)
A bill to amend 1994 PA 204, entitled "The
children's ombudsman act," by amending the title
and sections 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5a, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, and
12 (MCL 722.921, 722.922, 722.923, 722.924,
722.925, 722.925a, 722.926, 722.927, 722.928,
722.929, 722.930, 722.931, and 722.932), the title
and sections 3, 5, and 11 as amended by 2004 PA
560, sections 2 and 6 as amended by 2020 PA 186,
sections 4 and 10 as amended by 2014 PA 243,
section 5a as amended by 2014 PA 455, sections 7
and 8 as amended by 2013 PA 38, and section 9 as
amended by 2020 PA 185.
HB 4639
(Rep. Edwards)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 280, entitled "The social
welfare act," by amending section 115m (MCL
400.115m), as amended by 2014 PA 308.
HB 4640
(Rep. Wilson)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 288, entitled "Probate
code of 1939," by amending sections 67 and 68 of
chapter X and section 19b of chapter XIIA (MCL
710.67, 710.68, and 712A.19b), section 67 of
chapter X as amended by 1994 PA 373, section 68
of chapter X as amended by 2012 PA 385, and
section 19b of chapter XIIA as amended by 2018
PA 58.
HB 4641
(Rep. Arbit)
A bill to amend 1973 PA 116, entitled "An act to
provide for the protection of children through the
licensing and regulation of child care
organizations; to provide for the establishment of
standards of care for child care organizations; to
prescribe powers and duties of certain departments
of this state and adoption facilitators; to provide
penalties; and to repeal acts and parts of acts," by
amending sections 5a and 10 (MCL 722.115a and
722.120), section 5a as added by 1994 PA 205 and
section 10 as amended by 2022 PA 69.
HB 4642
(Rep. Grant)
A bill to amend 1975 PA 238, entitled "Child
protection law," by amending sections 7, 7b, and
7k (MCL 722.627, 722.627b, and 722.627k),
section 7 as amended by 2022 PA 68, section 7b as
amended by 2011 PA 89, and section 7k as added
by 2011 PA 67.
HB 4643
(Rep. McKinney)
A bill to amend 1994 PA 203, entitled "Foster care
and adoption services act," by amending sections
5, 8a, 8b, and 8d (MCL 722.955, 722.958a,
722.958b, and 722.958d), section 8a as added by
2014 PA 524, section 8b as added by 2018 PA 489,
and section 8d as added by 2018 PA 632.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4634, HB 4635, HB 4636, HB 4637,
HB 4638, HB 4639, HB 4640, HB 4641, HB 4642, and HB 4643 and, but did not wish to
speak:
Trevor VanDyke, representing the State Court Administrative Office.
Aaron Van Langevelde, representing the Michigan Department of Attorney General.
Toom Hickson, representing the Michigan Catholic Conference.
Gabrielle Dresner, representing the ACLU of Michigan.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4634, HB 4635 and HB 4636, but
did not wish to speak:
Samantha Gibson, representing the Michigan Association of Counties.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4634 and HB 4635, but did not wish
to speak:
Chardae Burton, representing the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4634, HB 4635, HB 4636, and HB
4637, but did not wish to speak:
Nathan Triplett, representing the State Bar of Michigan.
Representative Andrews moved to adopt substitute (H-3) to HB 4634. The motion prevailed
13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou, Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Breen moved to report out HB 4634 with recommendation, as substitute (H-
3). The motion prevailed 8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Young moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4635. The motion prevailed 8-
5-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Pass: None.
Representative Arbit moved to report out HB 4635 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 8-3-2:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Mueller, Bezotte, BeGole.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Harris.
Representative Tyrone Carter moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4636. The motion
prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou, Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Dievendorf moved to report out HB 4636 with recommendation, as substitute
(H-1). The motion prevailed 8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Tsernoglou moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4637. The motion
prevailed 10-0-3:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou, Filler, Harris.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Mueller, Bezotte, BeGole.
Representative Andrews moved to report out HB 4637 with recommendation, as substitute
(H-1). The motion prevailed 8-5-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Pass: None.
Representative Tyrone Carter moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4638. The motion
prevailed 12-0-1:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou, Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris.
Nays: None.
Pass: Rep. BeGole.
Representative Breen moved to report out HB 4638 with recommendation, as substitute (H-
1). The motion prevailed 8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Representative Young moved to report out HB 4639 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou, Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Arbit moved to report out HB 4640 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou, Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Dievendorf moved to report out HB 4641 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou, Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Tsernoglou moved to report out HB 4642 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou, Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Andrews moved to report out HB 4643 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou, Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Hope adjourned the meeting at
9:46 AM.
Representative Kara Hope, Chair
Melissa Sweet
Committee Clerk
msweet@house.mi.gov


location: Room 521, House Office Building

evidence_text:
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION
REP. MATT KOLESZAR
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, September 19, 2023
9:00 AM
Room 521, House Office Building
The House Committee on Education was called to order by Chair Koleszar.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Koleszar, Churches, Shannon, Stone, Weiss, Glanville, Conlin, Edwards,
Wegela, Greene, Markkanen, Paquette, Wendzel, Johnsen.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representatives Weiss, Paquette and Wendzel joined the committee remotely.
Representative Stone moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 12, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4241 and HB 4242 before the committee:
HB 4241
(Rep. Brenda Carter)
A bill to amend 1976 PA 451, entitled "The
revised school code," (MCL 380.1 to 380.1852) by
adding section 1308c.
HB 4242
(Rep. Brenda Carter)
A bill to amend 1979 PA 94, entitled "The state
school aid act of 1979," by amending section 11
(MCL 388.1611), as amended by 2023 PA 3, and
by adding section 97g.
Representative Brenda Carter and Johnathon Wertheimer, from the Office of Representative
Brenda Carter, gave testimony in support of HB 4241 and HB 4242. Questions and
discussion followed.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4241 and HB 4242, but did not wish
to speak:
Jennifer Smith, representing the Michigan Association of School Boards.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4241 and HB 4242, but did not
wish to speak:
Matt Saxton, representing the Michigan Sheriffs' Association.
Angela Elsey, representing the Michigan Communications' Directors' Association.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Koleszar adjourned the meeting
at 9:41 AM.
Representative Matt Koleszar, Chair
Legan Rose
Committee Clerk
LRose@house.mi.gov


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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON ELECTIONS
REP. PENELOPE TSERNOGLOU
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, September 19, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 327, House Office Building
The House Committee on Elections was called to order by Chair Tsernoglou.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Tsernoglou, Wegela, Hope, Koleszar, Byrnes, Churches, Smit, DeBoyer.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Smit moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 12, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid SB 385 before the committee:
SB 385
(Sen. Geiss)
A bill to amend 1954 PA 116, entitled "Michigan
election law," by amending section 677 (MCL
168.677), as amended by 2018 PA 120.
Chris Swope, representing the Michigan Association of Municipal Clerks, testified in support
of SB 385. Questions and discussion followed.
The following people submitted a card in support of SB 385, but did not wish to speak:
Melanie Macey, representing Promote the Vote.
Ricky Servantez Bicknell, representing Voters Not Politicians.
Erin Schor, representing the Michigan Department of State.
Bill Zaagman, representing the Michigan Association of County Clerks.
Thomas Luckett, representing the Michigan Democratic Party.
The Chair laid HB 4129 and HB 4130 before the committee:
HB 4129
(Rep. Hope)
A bill to amend 1954 PA 116, entitled "Michigan
election law," (MCL 168.1 to 168.992) by adding
section 931b.
HB 4130
(Rep. Hope)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 175, entitled "The code
of criminal procedure," by amending section 11d
of chapter XVII (MCL 777.11d), as amended by
2018 PA 661.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4129 and HB 4130, but did not wish
to speak:
Ricky Servantez Bicknell, representing Voters Not Politicians.
Representative Smit offered the following amendments to HB 4129:
1. Amend page 3, following line 3, by inserting:
"(viii) Engaging in any lawful ballot challenger activities.".
2. Amend page 3, line 7, after "board," by inserting "ballot challenger,".
Representative Smit moved to adopt the amendments to HB 4129. The motion did not prevail
2-6-0:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Smit, DeBoyer.
Nays: Reps. Tsernoglou, Wegela, Hope, Koleszar, Byrnes, Churches.
Pass: None.
Representative Wegela moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4129. The motion prevailed 6-
2-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Tsernoglou, Wegela, Hope, Koleszar, Byrnes, Churches.
Nays: Reps. Smit, DeBoyer.
Pass: None.
Representative Hope moved to report out HB 4129 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 6-2-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Tsernoglou, Wegela, Hope, Koleszar, Byrnes, Churches.
Nays: Reps. Smit, DeBoyer.
Pass: None.
Representative Koleszar moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4130. The motion prevailed
6-2-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Tsernoglou, Wegela, Hope, Koleszar, Byrnes, Churches.
Nays: Reps. Smit, DeBoyer.
Pass: None.
Representative Byrnes moved to report out HB 4130 with recommendation, as substitute (H-
1). The motion prevailed 6-2-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Tsernoglou, Wegela, Hope, Koleszar, Byrnes, Churches.
Nays: Reps. Smit, DeBoyer.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 4534 before the committee:
HB 4534
(Rep. Stone)
A bill to amend 1953 PA 232, entitled
"Corrections code of 1953," by amending sections
34c and 35 (MCL 791.234c and 791.235), section
34c as added by 2012 PA 24 and section 35 as
amended by 2019 PA 13.
The following person submitted a card with a neutral position on HB 4534, but did not wish
to speak:
Kyle Kaminski, representing the Michigan Department of Corrections.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4534, but did not wish to speak:
Melanie Macey, representing Promote the Vote.
Rusty Merchant, representing Secure Democracy.
Ricky Servantez Bicknell, representing Voters Not Politicians.
Thomas Luckett, representing the Michigan Democratic Party.
Representative Churches moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4534. The motion prevailed
6-0-2:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Tsernoglou, Wegela, Hope, Koleszar, Byrnes, Churches.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Smit, DeBoyer.
Representative Wegela moved to report out HB 4534 with recommendation, as substitute (H-
1). The motion prevailed 6-0-2:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Tsernoglou, Wegela, Hope, Koleszar, Byrnes, Churches.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Smit, DeBoyer.
The Chair laid SB 374 before the committee:
SB 374
(Sen. Moss)
A bill to amend 1954 PA 116, entitled "Michigan
election law," by amending sections 658 and 661
(MCL 168.658 and 168.661), as amended by 2012
PA 270.
The following people submitted a card in support of SB 374, but did not wish to speak:
Judy Allen, representing the Michigan Townships Association.
Bill Zaagman, representing the Michigan Association of Municipal Clerks.
Erin Schor, representing the Michigan Department of State.
Representative Hope moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to SB 374. The motion prevailed 6-0-2:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Tsernoglou, Wegela, Hope, Koleszar, Byrnes, Churches.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Smit, DeBoyer.
Representative Byrnes moved to report out SB 374 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 6-0-2:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Tsernoglou, Wegela, Hope, Koleszar, Byrnes, Churches.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Smit, DeBoyer.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Tsernoglou adjourned the
meeting at 10:44 AM.
Representative Penelope Tsernoglou, Chair
Edward Sleeper
Committee Clerk
esleeper@house.mi.gov


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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON FAMILIES, CHILDREN AND SENIORS
REP. STEPHANIE A. YOUNG
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, September 19, 2023
12:00 PM
Room 326, House Office Building
The House Committee on Families, Children and Seniors was called to order by Chair Young.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Young, Coffia, Glanville, Arbit, Edwards, MacDonell, Wozniak, Fox,
Johnsen, Thompson.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative MacDonell moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 12, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4841 before the committee:
HB 4841
(Rep. Young)
A bill to amend 1979 PA 218, entitled "Adult
foster care facility licensing act," by amending
sections 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 13, 24, and 31 (MCL
400.703, 400.704, 400.705, 400.706, 400.707,
400.713, 400.724, and 400.731), sections 3, 4, 5,
7, and 13 as amended by 2018 PA 557, section 6
as amended by 2017 PA 156, section 24 as
amended by 2018 PA 558, and section 31 as
amended by 1994 PA 150, and by adding sections
9a, 28, 28a, 28b, 28c, 28d, and 28e.
At 12:04 PM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 12:05 PM, Majority Vice Chair Coffia called the committee back to order.
Chair Young and Patricia Skrabis testified in support of HB 4841. Questions and discussion
followed.
At 12:42 PM, Majority Vice Chair Coffia laid the committee at ease.
At 12:43 PM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
Rich Farran and Jennifer Post, both representing the Health Care Association of Michigan,
testified in opposition to HB 4841. Questions and discussion followed.
Jonathan Zima, representing Dockerty Health, testified in opposition to HB 4841. Questions and
discussion followed.
Justine Bykowski testified in support of HB 4841.
Robert Stein, General Counsel for the Michigan Assisted Living Association, testified in
opposition to HB 4841. Questions and discussion followed.
Brenda Roberts, representing the Michigan Assisted Living Association, testified in opposition to
HB 4841.
Dr. Christina Marsack-Topolewski and Professor Annemarie Kelly testified in support of HB
4841.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4841, but did not wish to speak:
Salli Pung, representing the Michigan Long Term Care Ombudsman.
Tom Hickson, representing the Michigan Catholic Conference.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4841, but did not wish to speak:
Dana Lasenby, representing the Oakland Community Health Network.
Joe Haveman, representing the Hope Network.
Alan Bolter, representing the Community Mental Health Association of Michigan.
Dalton Herbal, representing Leading Age Michigan.
Lynn Alexander, representing Presbyterian Villages of Michigan.
Dana Lasenby, representing the Oakland Community Health Network.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to HB 4841, but due to the time constraints
was unable to speak:
Nick Wake, representing the Michigan National Placement and Referral Alliance.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Young adjourned the meeting at
1:22 PM.
Representative Stephanie A. Young, Chair
Matt Carnagie
Committee Clerk
mcarnagie@house.mi.gov


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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON MILITARY, VETERANS AND HOMELAND SECURITY
REP. JENNIFER CONLIN
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, September 19, 2023
12:00 PM
Room 327, House Office Building
The House Committee on Military, Veterans and Homeland Security was called to order by
Chair Conlin.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Conlin, Coleman, Tyrone Carter, Stone, Rogers, Wegela, Markkanen,
Bezotte, Martin, St. Germaine.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative St. Germaine moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 12, 2023.
There being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid SB 176, SB 330, SB 364 and HCR 4 before the committee:
SB 176
(Sen. Santana)
A bill to amend 1893 PA 206, entitled "The
general property tax act," by amending section 7b
(MCL 211.7b), as amended by 2013 PA 161.
SB 330
(Sen. Cavanagh)
A bill to amend 1893 PA 206, entitled "The
general property tax act," (MCL 211.1 to 211.155)
by adding section 7c.
SB 364
(Sen. Damoose)
A bill to amend 1893 PA 206, entitled "The
general property tax act," by amending section
53b (MCL 211.53b), as amended by 2022 PA 141.
HCR 4
(Rep. Conlin)
A concurrent resolution to urge Congress to
amend 38 USC § 5304 and 10 USC § 12316 to
permit members of the United States reserves and
National Guard to receive full or partial active
service pay in tandem with disability
compensation from the Department of Veterans
Affairs.
Representative T. Carter offered the following amendments to SB 176:
1. Amend page 2, line 15, after "The" by striking out "county treasurer shall cancel".
2. Amend page 2, line 16, after "act" by inserting "shall be canceled".
Representative Coleman moved to adopt the amendments to SB 176. The motion prevailed 8-
0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Conlin, Coleman, Tyrone Carter, Stone, Rogers, Wegela, Bezotte, St.
Germaine.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Wegela moved to report out SB 176 with recommendation, as amended. The
motion prevailed 8-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Conlin, Coleman, Tyrone Carter, Stone, Rogers, Wegela, Bezotte, St.
Germaine.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Stone offered the following amendments to SB 330:
1. Amend page 2, line 6, by striking out "as" and inserting "in a form and manner".
2. Amend page 2, line 8, after "occur" by inserting "on a property".
3. Amend page 2, line 8, after "years" by inserting "unless there is a reasonable belief that
the property is ineligible for the exemption".
Representative Coleman moved to adopt the amendments to SB 330. The motion prevailed 8-
0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Conlin, Coleman, Tyrone Carter, Stone, Rogers, Wegela, Bezotte, St.
Germaine.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Coleman moved to report out SB 330 with recommendation, as amended. The
motion prevailed 8-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Conlin, Coleman, Tyrone Carter, Stone, Rogers, Wegela, Bezotte, St.
Germaine.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The following person submitted a card in support of SB 176 and SB 330, but did not wish to
speak:
Tabitha Zimny, representing the Michigan Mortgage Lenders Association.
Representative Bezotte moved to report out SB 364 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 8-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Conlin, Coleman, Tyrone Carter, Stone, Rogers, Wegela, Bezotte, St.
Germaine.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Tim Poxson, representing the American Legion Department of Michigan, testified in support
of SB 176, SB 330 and SB 364.
At 12:09 PM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 12:09 PM, Majority Vice Chair Coleman called the committee back to order.
Representative Conlin and Thomas Horton testified in support of HCR 4. Questions and
discussion followed.
At 12:15 PM, Majority Vice Chair Coleman laid the committee at ease.
At 12:18 PM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
Representative Stone moved to report out HCR 4 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 9-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Conlin, Coleman, Tyrone Carter, Stone, Rogers, Wegela, Markkanen,
Bezotte, St. Germaine.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The following people submitted a card in support of HCR 4, but did not wish to speak:
Spc. Robinson, Thomas.
Sgt. Mannix, William.
Spc. Patterson, Olivid.
Spc. Holmes, Russell.
Spc. Phan, Bao.
Sgt. Melvin, Zachary.
Sgt. Bandla, Ashoka.
Cole Romig.
Kyle Kelly.
Garrett Patnoude.
Put. Dylan Barker.
Jack Devine, representing the Michigan Commanders Group.
Tim Poxson, representing the American Legion Department of Michigan.
Sgt. Horton, Thomas.
Jim Sigmon, representing the Military Officers Association of America, Michigan
Chapter.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Conlin adjourned the meeting at
12:22 PM.
Representative Jennifer Conlin, Chair
Nicholas Gewirtz
Committee Clerk
ngewirtz@house.mi.gov


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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON REGULATORY REFORM
REP. TYRONE CARTER
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, September 19, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 519, House Office Building
The House Committee on Regulatory Reform was called to order by Chair Tyrone Carter.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Tyrone Carter, Liberati, Neeley, Scott, Young, Grant, McFall, Snyder,
Wilson, Mueller, Filler, Wendzel, Aragona, Bierlein, Neyer.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Grant moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 12, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4177 before the committee:
HB 4177
(Rep. Tyrone Carter)
An act to provide for the establishment of history
museum authorities; to provide for the powers and
duties of a history museum authority; to authorize
the levy and collection of a property tax by a
history museum authority; and to provide for the
powers and duties of certain state and local
governmental officers and entities.
Representative Liberati moved to report out HB 4177 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 9-1-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Tyrone Carter, Liberati, Neeley, Scott, Young, Grant, McFall, Snyder,
Wilson.
Nays: Rep. Mueller.
Pass: Reps. Filler, Wendzel, Aragona, Bierlein, Neyer.
The Chair laid HB 4717 before the committee:
HB 4717
(Rep. Grant)
A bill to amend 1980 PA 299, entitled
"Occupational code," by amending section 2504a
(MCL 339.2504a), as amended by 2020 PA 342.
Representative Grant testified regarding the changes in substitute (H-1) to HB 4717.
Representative Liberati moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4717. The motion prevailed
14-0-1:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Tyrone Carter, Liberati, Neeley, Scott, Young, Grant, McFall, Snyder,
Wilson, Mueller, Filler, Wendzel, Aragona, Bierlein.
Nays: None.
Pass: Rep. Neyer.
Representative Wilson moved to report out HB 4717 with recommendation, as substitute (H-
1). The motion prevailed 14-0-1:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Tyrone Carter, Liberati, Neeley, Scott, Young, Grant, McFall, Snyder,
Wilson, Mueller, Filler, Wendzel, Aragona, Bierlein.
Nays: None.
Pass: Rep. Neyer.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4717, but did not wish to speak:
Ryan Knight, representing the Michigan Realtors.
Brad Ward, representing the Michigan Realtors.
The Chair laid HB 4647 before the committee:
HB 4647
(Rep. Aiyash)
A bill to amend 1980 PA 299, entitled
"Occupational code," by amending section 1113
(MCL 339.1113), as amended by 1984 PA 25.
Katie Michels, representing Representative Aiyash; and Paige Fults, representing the
Michigan Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs; testified in support of HB 4647.
Questions and discussion followed.
At 10:41 AM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 10:42 AM, Majority Vice Chair Liberati called the committee back to order.
The Majority Vice Chair laid HB 4928, HB 4929 and HB 4930 before the committee:
HB 4928
(Rep. Shannon)
A bill to amend 1949 PA 300, entitled "Michigan
vehicle code," by amending sections 682, 741,
742, 743, 907, 908, and 909 (MCL 257.682,
257.741, 257.742, 257.743, 257.907, 257.908, and
257.909), section 682 as amended by 2021 PA 50,
sections 741 and 743 as amended by 2006 PA 298,
section 742 as amended by 2008 PA 171, section
907 as amended by 2023 PA 40, and section 909
as amended by 2000 PA 94.
HB 4929
(Rep. Tyrone Carter)
A bill to amend 1961 PA 236, entitled "Revised
judicature act of 1961," by amending sections
8379 and 8396 (MCL 600.8379 and 600.8396),
section 8379 as amended by 2000 PA 93 and
section 8396 as added by 1994 PA 12.
HB 4930
(Rep. Tyrone Carter)
A bill to amend 1990 PA 187, entitled "The pupil
transportation act," by amending sections 5 and 20
(MCL 257.1805 and 257.1820), section 5 as
amended by 2006 PA 107 and section 20 as added
by 2021 PA 52.
Representative Tyrone Carter; and Steve Randazzo, representing Bus Patrol; testified in
support of HB 4928, HB 4929 and HB 4930.
At 10:46 AM, Majority Vice Chair Liberati laid the committee at ease.
At 10:46 AM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
Katrina Morris, representing the Michigan Association of Pupil Transportation, testified in
opposition to HB 4928, HB 4929 and HB 4930. Questions and discussion followed.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4928, HB 4929 and HB 4930, but
did not wish to speak:
Debbie Mikula, representing the Michigan Library Association.
Judge Kim Wiegand, representing the Michigan District Judges Association.
David Randels, representing Oakland Schools.
The Chair laid HB 4649 before the committee:
HB 4649
(Rep. Stone)
A bill to amend 1972 PA 230, entitled "Stille-
DeRossett-Hale single state construction code
act," (MCL 125.1501 to 125.1531) by adding
section 13h.
Representative Stone, and Jessica Gomez, mother of Liam, testified in support of HB 4649.
Questions and discussion followed.
The following person submitted a card with a neutral position on HB 4649, but did not wish
to speak:
Jeremy Murphy, representing the Michigan Developmental Disabilities Council.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4649, but did not wish to speak:
Michelle Roberts, representing Disability Rights of Michigan.
Nichole Shotwell, representing the Brain Injury Association of Michigan.
Amber Lawrence.
Merissa Kovach, representing the ACLU.
Tim Hoste, representing Neuro Restorative.
Sherri Boyd, representing The Arc Michigan.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4649, but did not wish to speak:
John McNamara, representing the Michigan Restaurant and Lodging Association.
Tim Langholz, representing the National Federation of Independent Business.
Amy Drumm, representing the Michigan Retailers Association.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Tyrone Carter adjourned the
meeting at 11:11 AM.
Representative Tyrone Carter, Chair
Molly Wingrove
Committee Clerk
mwingrove@house.mi.gov


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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION, MOBILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE
REP. NATE SHANNON
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, September 19, 2023
10:30 AM
Room 521, House Office Building
The House Committee on Transportation, Mobility and Infrastructure was called to order by
Chair Shannon.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Shannon, MacDonell, Coleman, Conlin, Farhat, Fitzgerald, Hoskins,
Miller, Outman, Roth, Bruck, Kunse, St. Germaine.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Outman moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 12, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4897, SB 251 and HB 4723 before the committee:
HB 4897
(Rep. Shannon)
A bill to amend 1951 PA 51, entitled "An act to
provide for the classification of all public roads,
streets, and highways in this state, and for the
revision of that classification and for additions to
and deletions from each classification; to set up
and establish the Michigan transportation fund; to
provide for the deposits in the Michigan
transportation fund of specific taxes on motor
vehicles and motor vehicle fuels; to provide for
the allocation of funds from the Michigan
transportation fund and the use and administration
of the fund for transportation purposes; to promote
safe and efficient travel for motor vehicle drivers,
bicyclists, pedestrians, and other legal users of
roads, streets, and highways; to set up and
establish the truck safety fund; to provide for the
allocation of funds from the truck safety fund and
administration of the fund for truck safety
purposes; to set up and establish the Michigan
truck safety commission; to establish certain
standards for road contracts for certain businesses;
to provide for the continuing review of
transportation needs within the state; to authorize
the state transportation commission, counties,
cities, and villages to borrow money, issue bonds,
and make pledges of funds for transportation
purposes; to authorize counties to advance funds
for the payment of deficiencies necessary for the
payment of bonds issued under this act; to provide
for the limitations, payment, retirement, and
security of the bonds and pledges; to provide for
appropriations and tax levies by counties and
townships for county roads; to authorize
contributions by townships for county roads; to
provide for the establishment and administration
of the state trunk line fund, local bridge fund,
comprehensive transportation fund, and certain
other funds; to provide for the deposits in the state
trunk line fund, critical bridge fund,
comprehensive transportation fund, and certain
other funds of money raised by specific taxes and
fees; to provide for definitions of public
transportation functions and criteria; to define the
purposes for which Michigan transportation funds
may be allocated; to provide for Michigan
transportation fund grants; to provide for review
and approval of transportation programs; to
provide for submission of annual legislative
requests and reports; to provide for the
establishment and functions of certain advisory
entities; to provide for conditions for grants; to
provide for the issuance of bonds and notes for
transportation purposes; to provide for the powers
and duties of certain state and local agencies and
officials; to provide for the making of loans for
transportation purposes by the state transportation
department and for the receipt and repayment by
local units and agencies of those loans from
certain specified sources; to investigate and study
the tolling of roads, streets, highways, or bridges;
and to repeal acts and parts of acts," by amending
sections 12 and 13b (MCL 247.662 and
247.663b), section 12 as amended by 2020 PA
152.
SB 251
(Sen. Geiss)
A bill to amend 1982 PA 432, entitled "Motor bus
transportation act," by amending section 15 (MCL
474.115), as amended by 2016 PA 349.
HB 4723
(Rep. Morgan)
A bill to amend 1949 PA 300, entitled "Michigan
vehicle code," (MCL 257.1 to 257.923) by adding
section 803s.
Representative Jason Morgan, Eric Peace, representing the Lake Carriers Association, and
Scott Skrzpyczak, representing the International Ship Masters Association, testified in
support of HB 4723. Questions and discussion followed.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4723, but did not wish to speak:
Melissa Horste, representing the Michigan Department of State.
At 10:38 AM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 10:39 AM, Majority Vice Chair MacDonell called the committee back to order.
Representative Nate Shannon testified in support of HB 4897.
At 10:40 AM, Majority Vice Chair MacDonell laid the committee at ease.
At 10:41 AM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
Ed Noyola, representing the County Roads Association, testified in support of HB 4897.
Questions and discussion followed.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4897, but did not wish to speak:
Troy Hagon, representing the Michigan Department of Transportation.
Madeline Fata, representing the Michigan Association of Counties.
Mike Spence, representing the Southeast Michigan Council Governments.
Dennis Kolar, representing the Road Commission for Oakland County.
Brian Merlos, representing the Office of Senator Erika Giess, testified in support of SB 251.
Questions and discussion followed.
The following person submitted a card in support of SB 251, but did not wish to speak:
Troy Hagon, representing the Michigan Department of Transportation.
The Chair laid HB 4126, HB 4183, HB 4308, HB 4511 and HB 4512 before the committee:
HB 4126
(Rep. Snyder)
A bill to amend 1949 PA 300, entitled "Michigan
vehicle code," by amending section 627 (MCL
257.627), as amended by 2022 PA 52.
HB 4183
(Rep. Roth)
A bill to amend 1949 PA 300, entitled "Michigan
vehicle code," by amending section 20a (MCL
257.20a), as amended by 2012 PA 239.
HB 4308
(Rep. O'Neal)
A bill to amend 1949 PA 300, entitled "Michigan
vehicle code," (MCL 257.1 to 257.923) by adding
section 811hh; and to repeal acts and parts of acts.
HB 4511
(Rep. Rheingans)
A bill to amend 1949 PA 300, entitled "Michigan
vehicle code," by amending sections 710d and
710e (MCL 257.710d and 257.710e), section 710d
as amended by 2009 PA 57 and section 710e as
amended by 2016 PA 460.
HB 4512
(Rep. Fitzgerald)
A bill to amend 1949 PA 300, entitled "Michigan
vehicle code," by amending section 907 (MCL
257.907), as amended by 2020 PA 382.
Representative Coleman moved to report out HB 4126 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 8-0-5:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Shannon, MacDonell, Coleman, Conlin, Farhat, Fitzgerald, Hoskins, Miller.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Outman, Roth, Bruck, Kunse, St. Germaine.
Representative St. Germaine moved to report out HB 4183 with recommendation. The
motion prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Shannon, MacDonell, Coleman, Conlin, Farhat, Fitzgerald, Hoskins, Miller,
Outman, Roth, Bruck, Kunse, St. Germaine.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Conlin moved to report out HB 4308 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 13-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Shannon, MacDonell, Coleman, Conlin, Farhat, Fitzgerald, Hoskins, Miller,
Outman, Roth, Bruck, Kunse, St. Germaine.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Farhat moved to report out HB 4511 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 11-0-2:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Shannon, MacDonell, Coleman, Conlin, Farhat, Fitzgerald, Hoskins, Miller,
Outman, Roth, Kunse.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Bruck, St. Germaine.
Representative Miller moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4512. The motion prevailed 13-
0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Shannon, MacDonell, Coleman, Conlin, Farhat, Fitzgerald, Hoskins, Miller,
Outman, Roth, Bruck, Kunse, St. Germaine.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Hoskins moved to report out HB 4512 with recommendation, as substitute (H-
1). The motion prevailed 11-0-2:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Shannon, MacDonell, Coleman, Conlin, Farhat, Fitzgerald, Hoskins, Miller,
Outman, Roth, Kunse.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Bruck, St. Germaine.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Shannon adjourned the meeting
at 10:55 AM.
Representative Nate Shannon, Chair
Legan Rose
Acting Committee Clerk
lrose@house.mi.gov


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MEMBERS:
SEN. SYLVIA SANTANA, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. MARY CAVANAGH
SEN. ROSEMARY BAYER
SEN. SUE SHINK
SEN. STEPHANIE CHANG
SEN. JOHN CHERRY
SEN. ERIKA GEISS
SEN. JONATHAN LINDSEY, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. MICHELE HOITENGA
SEN. JOHN DAMOOSE
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON HOUSING AND HUMAN
SERVICES
SENATOR JEFF IRWIN
CHAIR
5100 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-2406
FAX: (517) 373-5679
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 19, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Housing and Human Services was scheduled for Tuesday, September 19,
2023, at 12:00 noon, in the 403 Room of the Capitol Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Testimony regarding HB 4273 (Rep. O'Neal).
2. Testimony regarding SB 382 (Sen. Chang).
3. Testimony regarding SB 383 (Sen. Cavanagh).
4. Reported SB 417 (Sen. Singh) with recommendation and immediate effect.
The Chair called the meeting to order at 12:17 p.m. He instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Irwin, Sen.(s) Cavanagh, Bayer, Shink, Chang, Cherry, Geiss, Lindsey,
Hoitenga, and Damoose, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Geiss to adopt the meeting minutes from September 12, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair made a motion to excuse absent members from the meeting. Without objection, Sen. Santana was
excused from the meeting.
The Chair explained that work was still being done on HB 4273.
The following cards were turned in of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding
HB 4273:
Robb Kennedy, Michigan Community Action – Support
Todd Tennis, Center for Civil Justice – Support
Antonio Gomez, The Rent is Too Damn High – Support
Ian Whipp, The Rent is Too Damn High – Support
William Lawrence, The Rent is Too Damn High – Support
The Chair invited Sen.(s) Chang and Cavanagh to summarize SB 382 and SB 383.
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The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 382 and SB 383:
Poppy Sias-Hernandez, Office of Global Michigan – Support
Jayshona Hicks, Michigan Department of Labor and Economic Opportunity – Support
Munni Rahman, Rising Voice – Support
Anna Hill Galendez, Michigan Immigrant Rights Center – Support
Jose Luis Orozco, Voces – Support
Kelly Bidelman, Center for Civil Justice – Support
Cindy Gamboa, Detroit Hispanic Development and MI Poder – Support
The following cards were turned in of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding
SB 417:
Antonio Gomez, The Rent is Too Damn High – Support
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Cavanagh to report SB 417 to the floor with recommendation that it
pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Irwin, Sen.(s) Cavanagh, Bayer, Shink, Chang, Cherry, Geiss, and Damoose
Nays: Sen. Lindsey
Pass: Sen. Hoitenga
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair made a motion to recommend immediate effect for SB 417. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The following cards were turned in of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding
SB 382 and SB 383:
Lisa Ruby, Michigan Poverty Law Program – Support
Anna Almanza, Food Bank Council of Michigan – Support
Simon Marshall Shah, Michigan League for Public Policy – Support
Antonio Gomez, The Rent is Too Damn High – Support
Loida Tapia, MI Poder – Support
Kelsey Brianne, The Rent is Too Damn High – Support
Rabia Miah, Rising Voices – Support
Stone Whalen, Rising Voices – Support
Tarun Aggarwal, Rising Voices – Support
Salehe Chowdheny, Rising Voices – Support
Lydia Da Dinj, Rising Voices – Support
Maxi Ashdot, Rising Voices – Support
The following cards were turned in of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding
SB 382:
William Lawrence, The Rent is Too Damn High – Support
Ian Whipp, The Rent is Too Damn High – Support
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 12:59 p.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: September 26, 2023
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MEMBERS:
SEN. ERIKA GEISS, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. STEPHANIE CHANG
SEN. DARRIN CAMILLERI
SEN. KRISTEN MCDONALD RIVET
SEN. JOHN DAMOOSE, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. RUTH JOHNSON
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION
SENATOR DAYNA POLEHANKI
CHAIR
310 CAPITOL BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7350
FAX: (517) 373-9228
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 19, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Education was scheduled for Tuesday, September 19, 2023, at 1:30 p.m.,
in the 1100 Room of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Reported HB 4752 (S-5) (Rep. Koleszar) with recommendation.
2. Testimony regarding SB 500 (Sen. Polehanki).
The Chair called the meeting to order at 1:30 p.m.. She instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Polehanki, Sen.(s) Geiss, Chang, Camilleri, McDonald Rivet, Damoose
and Johnson, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Geiss to adopt the meeting minutes from September 12, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. McDonald Rivet to adopt the (S-5) version of HB 4752. The vote was
as follows:
Yeas: Chair Polehanki, Sen.(s) Geiss, Chang, Camilleri, McDonald Rivet, Damoose, and Johnson.
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the (S-5) was adopted.
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding HB 4752:
Mike Latvis, Wayne RESA – Neutral
David Randels, Oakland Schools – Neutral
Tammy Daenzer, Michigan Education Association – Support
Neil DeSouza, Michigan Department of Technology, Management, and Budget – Neutral
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Geiss to report the (S-5) version of HB 4752 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Polehanki, Sen.(s) Geiss, Chang, Camilleri, McDonald Rivet, and Damoose.
Nays: None
Pass: Sen.(s) Johnson.
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
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The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding SB 500:
Bernadette Downey, No Kid Hungry – Support
Mary Darnton, School Nutrition Association – Support
Colin McDonough, American Heart Association – Support
Diane Golzynski, Michigan Department of Education – Support
Julie Cassidy, Michigan League for Public Policy – Support
Brian Broderick, Michigan Association Nonpublic Schools – Opposition
Paul Stankewitz, Michigan Catholic Conference – Opposition
The Chair read the cards of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 500:
Janelle Kantola, Healthy School Meals for All – Support
Julius Buzzard, Growing Hope – Support
Nathan Medina, Food Corps – Support
Melina Brann, National Association of Social Workers – Support
Heather Addison, JJ Packs – Support
Colin Ford, American Academy of Pediatrics – Support
Amanda Shreve and Nathan Medina, Healthy Kids Healthy Michigan – Support
Seth Johnson, United Way of Northwest Michigan – Support
Cassie Thiefelder, United Way for Southeastern Michigan – Support
Anna Almanza, Food Bank Council of Michigan – Support
Tammy Daenzer, Michigan Education Association – Support
Dr. Susan Woolford, Authority Health Motion Coalition – Support
Barbara Blum Alexander, Authority Health Motion Coalition – Support
Nicholas Lazo, Resident – Support
Christina Baker, Resident – Support
Shanna Williams, Kenowa Hills Public Schools – Support
Dana Kessel, Mason County Eastern Schools – Support
June Altom, Countryside Academy – Support
Dan Gorman, Montague Area Public Schools – Support
Don Stacks, Gordon Food Service – Support
Bethany Taylor-Moore, Mona Shores Public Schools – Support
Joshua Conrad, South Haven Public Schools – Support
Gary Dougherty, American Diabetes Association – Support
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 2:54 p.m.
Date adopted by committee: 09/26/23
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MEMBERS:
SEN. VERONICA KLINEFELT, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. PAUL WOJNO
SEN. KEVIN HERTEL
SEN. DARRIN CAMILLERI
SEN. STEPHANIE CHANG
SEN. SEAN MCCANN
SEN. JOSEPH BELLINO, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. EDWARD MCBROOM
SEN. ROGER VICTORY
SEN. JON BUMSTEAD
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND
INFRASTRUCTURE
SENATOR ERIKA GEISS
CHAIR
5500 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7800
FAX: (517) 373-9310
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 19, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure was scheduled for Tuesday, September
19, 2023, at 3:30 p.m., in the 403 Room of the Capitol Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Reported SB 464 (S-2) (Sen. McMorrow) with recommendation.
2. Reported HB 4352 (Rep. Shannon) with recommendation.
3. Reported HB 4353 (Rep. MacDonell) with recommendation.
The Chair called the meeting to order at 3:35 p.m. She instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Geiss, Sen.(s) Klinefelt, Wojno, Hertel, Camilleri, Chang, McCann,
Bellino, McBroom, Victory, and Bumstead, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Wojno to adopt the meeting minutes from September 12, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
At 3:36 p.m., the Chair called for the committee to go at ease.
At 3:37 p.m., the Chair reconvened the committee.
Sen. Camilleri offered an (S-2) version of SB 464.
The Chair invited Sen. Camilleri to summarize the (S-2) version of SB 464.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Bellino to adopt the (S-2) version of SB 464. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Geiss, Sen.(s) Klinefelt, Wojno, Hertel, Camilleri, Chang, McCann, Bellino, McBroom,
Victory, and Bumstead
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the (S-2) was adopted.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. McCann to report the (S-2) version of SB 464 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
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Yeas: Chair Geiss, Sen.(s) Klinefelt, Wojno, Hertel, Camilleri, Chang, McCann, Bellino, McBroom, and
Victory
Nays: Sen. Bumstead
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Camilleri to report HB 4352 to the floor with recommendation that it
pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Geiss, Sen.(s) Klinefelt, Wojno, Hertel, Camilleri, Chang, McCann, Bellino, McBroom, and
Victory
Nays: Sen. Bumstead
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Chang to report HB 4353 to the floor with recommendation that it pass.
The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chair Geiss, Sen.(s) Klinefelt, Wojno, Hertel, Camilleri, Chang, McCann, Bellino, McBroom, and
Victory
Nays: Sen. Bumstead
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 3:42 p.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: October 3, 2023
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location: the Harry T. Gast Appropriations Room

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MEMBERS:
SEN. WINNIE BRINKS
SEN. SEAN MCCANN
SEN. ARIC NESBITT
SEN. JON BUMSTEAD
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON SENATE FISCAL AGENCY
GOVERNING BOARD
SENATOR SARAH ANTHONY
CHAIR
324 CAPITOL BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-6960
FAX: (517) 373-0897
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 19, 2023
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Senate Fiscal Agency Governing Board was scheduled for Tuesday,
September 19, 2023, at 8:30 a.m., in the Harry T. Gast Appropriations Room.
The Chair called the meeting to order at 8:34 a.m.. She instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the
following members were present: Chair Anthony, Sen.(s) Brinks, McCann, Nesbitt and Bumstead, a quorum
was present.
SFA Director Kathryn Summers provided documents and an update to Governing Board members.
Governing Board members approved SFA FY 2023-24 Pay Classification Structure, contracts over $5,000, and
changes to the SFA Administrative Rules.
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair made a motion, supported by Sen. McCann, to
adjourn the committee at 8:47 a.m.Without objection, the committee was adjourned.
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MEMBERS:
SEN. SUE SHINK, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. PAUL WOJNO
SEN. JEFF IRWIN
SEN. SYLVIA SANTANA
SEN. JIM RUNESTAD, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. RUTH JOHNSON
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON CIVIL RIGHTS,
JUDICIARY, AND PUBLIC SAFETY
SENATOR STEPHANIE CHANG
CHAIR
4100 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7346
FAX: (517) 373-9320
JOINT COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
September 19, 2023
A joint meeting of the Senate Committee on Civil Rights, Judiciary, and Public Safety with the House
Committee on Criminal Justice was scheduled for Tuesday, September 19, 2023, at 9:00 a.m., in the House
Appropriations Room 352 of the State Capitol Building.
The agenda summary is as follows:
1.
Testimony regarding SB 424 (Sen. Shink).
2.
Testimony regarding SB 425 (Sen. Shink).
3.
Testimony regarding SB 426 (Sen. Wojno).
4.
Testimony regarding SB 427 (Sen. McMorrow).
At 9:04 a.m. the House Committee on Criminal Justice was called to order and the roll was called. A quorum
was present.
Chair Chang called the Senate Committee on Civil Rights, Judiciary and Public Safety to order at 9:06 a.m. She
instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time, the following members were present: Chair Chang, Sen.(s)
Shink, Wojno, Irwin, Runestad and Johnson, a quorum was present.
The Chair entertained a motion by Sen. Shink to adopt the meeting minutes from September 14, 2023. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
Rep. Lightner, Rep. Muller and Sen. Shink were invited to summarize the bills for the committees.
The following individuals were invited to present testimony:
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Marcela Westrate, Michigan Indigent Defense Commission – Support
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Jonathan Sacks, State Appellate Defender Office – Support
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Brad Hall, State Appellate Defender Office – Support
-
Samantha Gibson, Michigan Association of Counties - Support
The following individuals submitted testimony cards:
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Tom Hickson, MI Catholic Conference – Support
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Nathan Triplett, State Bar of Michigan – Support SB’s 424 and 425
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Trevor VanDyke, Michigan Supreme Court – Support
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Aaron Van Langevedle, MI Department of the Attorney General - Support
The following individuals submitted written testimony:
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Karen D. McDonald, Prosecuting Attorney Oakland County - Support
The Chair moved to excuse absent members from the meeting. Without objection, Sen. Santana was excused
from the meeting.
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair moved to adjourn the committee. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 9:34 a.m.
Date adopted by committee: 09/21/23
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