HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
REP. ANGELA WITWER
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Wednesday, September 25,
2024
8:30
AM
Room 352, House Appropriations, State Capitol
Building
The House Committee on Appropriations was called to order by Chair Witwer.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson, Lightner, Bollin, Green, Slagh,
Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette, Steele.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative O'Neal moved to adopt the meeting minutes from June 20, 2024. There being no
objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid Legislative Transfer Request 2024-10 before the committee.
Jeff Stoutenburg, Paul Barbeau, and Shannon Huber, representing Dow, joined by Christin
Armstrong and Michelle Grinnell, representing the Michigan Economic Development
Corporation, provided a presentation on Legislative Transfer Request 2024-10. Questions and
discussion followed.
Tony Stamas, representing the Midland Business Alliance, testified in support of Legislative
Transfer Request 2024-10.
The following people submitted a card in support of Legislative Transfer Request 2024-10, but
did not wish to speak:
Jim Reaume, representing Bay Future.
Joann Crary, representing Saginaw Future.
Brian Shoaf, representing Detroit Regional Chamber of Commerce.
Eugene Seals, representing Saginaw Chamber of Commerce.
Magen Samyn, representing Bay Area Chamber of Commerce.
The Chair laid HB 4938 and HB 5913 before the committee:
HB 4938
(Rep. Morgan)
A bill to authorize the state administrative board to
convey state-owned real property in Kent County;
to prescribe conditions for the conveyance; to
provide for powers and duties of state departments
regarding the property; and to provide for
disposition of the revenue from the conveyance.
HB 5913
(Rep. Witwer)
A bill to authorize the state administrative board to
convey state-owned property in Eaton County; to
prescribe conditions for the conveyance; to
provide for powers and duties of state
departments, agencies, and officers in regard to
the property; and to provide for disposition of
revenue derived from the conveyance.
Neil DeSouza, representing the Department of Technology, Management, and Budget, testified in
support of HB 4938 and HB 5913. Questions and discussion followed.
Substitute (H-1) to HB 4938 was previously adopted on February 21st, 2024.
Representative Morgan moved to report out HB 4938 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 17-1-11:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Rep. Steele.
Pass: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn,
Schuette.
Representative Brabec moved to report out HB 5913 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 17-12-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn,
Schuette, Steele.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid SB 926, SB 931, SB 933 and SB 934 before the committee:
SB 926
(Sen. Anthony)
A bill to amend 1972 PA 239, entitled "McCauley-
Traxler-Law-Bowman-McNeely lottery act," by
amending section 41 (MCL 432.41), as amended
by 2009 PA 25.
SB 931
(Sen. Anthony)
A bill to amend 1997 PA 70, entitled "Compulsive
gaming prevention act," by amending section 3
(MCL 432.253), as amended by 2008 PA 282.
SB 933
(Sen. Anthony)
A bill to amend 2019 PA 149, entitled "Lawful
sports betting act," by amending section 16 (MCL
432.416).
SB 934
(Sen. Anthony)
A bill to amend 2019 PA 152, entitled "Lawful
internet gaming act," by amending section 16
(MCL 432.316), as amended by 2022 PA 269.
Kevin Koorstra, representing the House Fiscal Agency, provided testimony on SB 926, SB 931,
SB 933, and SB 934.
Representative Morse moved to report out SB 926 with recommendation. The motion prevailed
17-10-2:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, Kuhn, Schuette, Steele.
Pass: Reps. Green, DeBoer.
Representative Martus moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to SB 931. The motion prevailed 28-1-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson, Lightner, Bollin, Green, Slagh,
Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette.
Nays: Rep. Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Hood moved to report out SB 931 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1). The
motion prevailed 17-2-10:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Slagh, Steele.
Pass: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette.
Representative Puri moved to report out SB 933 with recommendation. The motion prevailed 17-
10-2:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, Kuhn, Schuette, Steele.
Pass: Reps. Green, DeBoer.
Representative Price moved to report out SB 934 with recommendation. The motion prevailed
17-10-2:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, Kuhn, Schuette, Steele.
Pass: Reps. Green, DeBoer.
The Chair laid SB 928, SB 929, SB 932 and SB 935 before the committee:
SB 928
(Sen. Anthony)
A bill to amend 1956 PA 205, entitled "The
paternity act," by amending section 2 (MCL
722.712), as amended by 2009 PA 235.
SB 929
(Sen. Anthony)
A bill to amend 1987 PA 264, entitled "Health and
safety fund act," by amending section 5 (MCL
141.475), as amended by 2009 PA 60.
SB 932
(Sen. Anthony)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 280, entitled "The social
welfare act," by amending sections 57e, 57g, 57p,
and 57r (MCL 400.57e, 400.57g, 400.57p, and
400.57r), sections 57e, 57p, and 57r as amended
by 2011 PA 131 and section 57g as amended by
2014 PA 375.
SB 935
(Sen. Anthony)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 280, entitled "The social
welfare act," by repealing section 117i (MCL
400.117i).
Kent Dell and Jacqueline Mullen, representing the House Fiscal Agency, provided testimony on
SB 928, SB 929, SB 932 and SB 935. Questions and discussion followed.
The following person submitted a card in support of SB 928 and SB 932, but did not wish to
speak:
Rachel Richards, representing the Michigan League for Public Policy.
Representative O'Neal moved to report out SB 928 with recommendation. The motion prevailed
17-10-1:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Kuhn, Schuette, Steele.
Pass: Rep. DeBoer.
Representative Snyder moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to SB 929. The motion prevailed 24-4-1:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson, Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson,
Borton, Fink, Cavitt.
Nays: Reps. Green, Kuhn, Schuette, Steele.
Pass: Rep. DeBoer.
Representative McKinney moved to report out SB 929 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 17-10-2:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, Kuhn, Schuette, Steele.
Pass: Reps. Green, DeBoer.
Representative Brixie moved to report out SB 932 with recommendation. The motion prevailed
17-12-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn,
Schuette, Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Steckloff moved to report out SB 935 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 18-0-11:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson, Slagh.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn, Schuette,
Steele.
The Chair laid SB 790 and SB 791 before the committee:
SB 790
(Sen. Hertel)
A bill to create the home help caregiver council
and to prescribe its powers and duties; and to
provide for the powers and duties of certain state
and local governmental officers and entities.
SB 791
(Sen. Santana)
A bill to amend 1947 PA 336, entitled "An act to
prohibit strikes by certain public employees; to
provide review from disciplinary action with
respect thereto; to provide for the mediation of
grievances and the holding of elections; to declare
and protect the rights and privileges of public
employees; to require certain provisions in
collective bargaining agreements; to prescribe
means of enforcement and penalties for the
violation of the provisions of this act; and to make
appropriations," by amending sections 1 and 14
(MCL 423.201 and 423.214), section 1 as
amended by 2023 PA 237 and section 14 as
amended by 2012 PA 349.
Representative McKinney moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to SB 790. The motion prevailed 17-
12-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn,
Schuette, Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Wilson moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to SB 791. The motion prevailed 17-12-
0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn,
Schuette, Steele.
Pass: None.
Senator Hertel, joined by Ravina Turner and Carmen Echevarria, representing SEIU Michigan,
testified in support of SB 790 and SB 791. Questions and discussion followed.
Patrick Wright, representing the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, testified in opposition to SB
790 and SB 791. Questions and discussion followed.
The following people submitted a card in support of SB 790 and SB 791, but did not wish to
speak:
Alison Herschel, representing the Michigan Elder Justice Initiative.
Lisa Hill, representing the Southeast Michigan Senior Regional Collaborative.
Rhonda Hall.
Callie Bruley, representing the Southeast Michigan Senior Regional Collaborative.
Kathy Mendes, representing Caring Across Generations.
Kaci Pellar, representing Detroit Disability Power.
Laura Hall, representing the Michigan Disability Rights Coalition.
Vernette Mahone, representing the SEIU Michigan.
Jennifer Root, representing Service Employees International Union Michigan.
Cortez C. Driskell Jr, representing Service Employees International Union Michigan.
Kimberly Evon, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Dorene Martin, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Neal Bisno, representing Service Employees International Union Michigan.
Nicole Hodges.
Ashley Dwive, representing Service Employees International Michigan.
Norma Morfin-Bains, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
John Grove, representing Michigan Homer Care Workers United.
Vivian Glenn-Evans, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Maria Ruacho, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Lillie Cleeton, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Dr. Juanita Lyons (PhD), representing Service Employees International Union Michigan.
Nickie Johnson, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Sharon Martin, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Platnium Washington, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Mary Crenshaw, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Linda J. Johnson, representing Service Employees International Union.
Sharon Fulks, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Mindy Katz, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Ray Scholtz, representing Michigan Corrections Organization.
Cortesu Melton, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Hasham Almawiri, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Crystal Epps, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Kelvin Williams, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Duanye Wilson, representing Service Employees International Union Michigan.
Tina Wilson, representing Service Employees International Union Michigan.
Barbara Tinnan, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Robert Goodlett, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Mune Hmawiri, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
AMichiganna Almawiri, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Hadeel Mawiri, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Ravina Turnel, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Ricky Johnson, representing Service Employees International Union Michigan.
Aubrey Brow, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Telisha Fails.
Tyrone Barnes.
Cysandra Johnson McGee, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Hope Ware, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Carolyn Brock, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Teresa L. Anthony-Johnson, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Alice Zarzycki, representing Service Employees International Union Michigan.
Bonnie Cloud, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Muriel James, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
April Barnes, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Erika LaFountain, representing Service Employees International Union Michigan.
Lisa Clark representing, Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Bridget Bevele.
Trevor Malone Sr.
Kiki Lee.
Nina Myers, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Elham Essjaee, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Ameer Shojaa, representing Michigan Home Care Workers.
Corina Lodesme, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Magdalek Taitano, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Roseanne Dimenco, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Vicki O. representing, Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Derek Yates representing, Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Cynthia Pride-Glamore representing, Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Phyllis Pride, representing Service Employees International Union Michigan.
Bernadine L. Martin, representing Michigan Home Care Workers United.
Tameem Sujaa representing, Michigan Homecare Workers United.
Eyad Sujaa representing, Michigan Homecare Workers United.
Michiganshi Kotnp representing, Michigan Homecare Workers United.
Suriyan Mussa representing, Michigan Homecare Workers United.
Bruce Spence representing, Michigan Homecare Workers United.
Frances Dye representing, Michigan Homecare Workers United.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to SB 790 and SB 791, but did not wish to
speak:
Amanda Fisher, representing the National Federation of Independent Business.
Wendy Block, representing the Michigan Chamber of Commerce.
Jacob Manning, representing the Small Business Association of Michigan.
The following person submitted a card in support of SB 790, but did not wish to speak:
Sara Ismail, representing ACCESS.
Representative Lightner offered the following amendment to SB 790 (H-1):
1. Amend page 2, line 16, after "participant" by inserting "and who is not the family member of a
participant".
Representative Lightner moved to adopt the amendment to SB 790 (H-1). The motion did not
prevail 12-7-10:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn,
Schuette, Steele.
Nays: Reps. Hood, Steckloff, Weiss, McKinney, Price, Skaggs, Wilson.
Pass: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Martus, Mentzer, Morgan, Snyder.
Representative Bollin offered the following amendment to SB 790 (H-1):
1. Amend page 9, following line 26, by inserting:
"(19) The department and each bargaining representative of a bargaining unit composed of
individual home help caregivers, in a pre-service orientation or training session applicable to the
individual home help caregivers, shall ensure that information concerning the individual home
help caregiver's rights pursuant to Janus v. AFSCME, Council 31, 585 US ____; 138 S Ct 2448
(2018) is provided to the individual home help caregiver. ".
Representative Bollin moved to adopt the amendment to SB 790 (H-1). The motion did not
prevail 12-17-0:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn,
Schuette, Steele.
Nays: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Pass: None.
Representative Skaggs moved to report out SB 790 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 17-12-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn,
Schuette, Steele.
Pass: None.
Representative Lightner offered the following amendment to SB 791 (H-1):
1. Amend page 2, line 21, by striking out subparagraph (ii).
Representative Lightner moved to adopt the amendment to SB 791 (H-1). The motion did not
prevail 12-17-0:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn,
Schuette, Steele.
Nays: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Pass: None.
Representative Puri moved to report out SB 791 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1). The
motion prevailed 17-12-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Witwer, O'Neal, Brixie, Hood, Brabec, Morse, Puri, Steckloff, Weiss, Martus,
McKinney, Mentzer, Morgan, Price, Skaggs, Snyder, Wilson.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, Bollin, Green, Slagh, Beson, Borton, Fink, Cavitt, DeBoer, Kuhn,
Schuette, Steele.
Pass: None.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Witwer adjourned the meeting at
10:12 AM.
Representative Angela Witwer, Chair
Dakota Soda
Committee Clerk
dsoda@house.mi.gov