HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY
REP. SARAH LIGHTNER
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Wednesday, November 5,
2025
10:30 AM
Room 521, House Office
Building
The House Committee on Judiciary was called to order by Chair Lightner.
The Chair requested attendance to be called:
Present: Reps. Lightner, BeGole, Wozniak, Harris, DeBoyer, Johnsen, Schuette, Tyrone
Carter, Hope, Breen and Scott.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative BeGole moved to adopt the meeting minutes from October 29, 2025. There being
no objection, the motion prevailed with unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4481, HB 4482 and HB 4483 before the committee:
HB 4481
(Rep. DeBoyer)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 372, entitled "An act
to regulate and license the selling, purchasing,
possessing, and carrying of certain firearms,
gas ejecting devices, and electro-muscular
disruption devices; to prohibit the buying,
selling, or carrying of certain firearms, gas
ejecting devices, and electro-muscular
disruption devices without a license or other
authorization; to provide for the forfeiture of
firearms and electro-muscular disruption
devices under certain circumstances; to
provide for penalties and remedies; to provide
immunity from civil liability under certain
circumstances; to prescribe the powers and
duties of certain state and local agencies; to
prohibit certain conduct against individuals
who apply for or receive a license to carry a
concealed pistol; to make appropriations; to
prescribe certain conditions for the
appropriations; and to repeal all acts and parts
of acts inconsistent with this act," (MCL
28.421 to 28.435) by adding section 5p.
HB 4482
(Rep. Hoadley)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 372, entitled "An act
to regulate and license the selling, purchasing,
possessing, and carrying of certain firearms,
gas ejecting devices, and electro-muscular
disruption devices; to prohibit the buying,
selling, or carrying of certain firearms, gas
ejecting devices, and electro-muscular
disruption devices without a license or other
authorization; to provide for the forfeiture of
firearms and electro-muscular disruption
devices under certain circumstances; to
provide for penalties and remedies; to provide
immunity from civil liability under certain
circumstances; to prescribe the powers and
duties of certain state and local agencies; to
prohibit certain conduct against individuals
who apply for or receive a license to carry a
concealed pistol; to make appropriations; to
prescribe certain conditions for the
appropriations; and to repeal all acts and parts
of acts inconsistent with this act," (MCL
28.421 to 28.435) by adding section 5q.
HB 4483
(Rep. Aragona)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 372, entitled "An act
to regulate and license the selling, purchasing,
possessing, and carrying of certain firearms,
gas ejecting devices, and electro-muscular
disruption devices; to prohibit the buying,
selling, or carrying of certain firearms, gas
ejecting devices, and electro-muscular
disruption devices without a license or other
authorization; to provide for the forfeiture of
firearms and electro-muscular disruption
devices under certain circumstances; to
provide for penalties and remedies; to provide
immunity from civil liability under certain
circumstances; to prescribe the powers and
duties of certain state and local agencies; to
prohibit certain conduct against individuals
who apply for or receive a license to carry a
concealed pistol; to make appropriations; to
prescribe certain conditions for the
appropriations; and to repeal all acts and parts
of acts inconsistent with this act," by amending
section 5c (MCL 28.425c), as amended by
2015 PA 3.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4481, HB 4482 and HB 4483, but did not
wish to speak:
Kyle Zawacki, representing the ACLU of Michigan.
Representative BeGole moved to report out HB 4481 with recommendation. The motion prevailed
9-0-2:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Lightner, BeGole, Wozniak, Harris, DeBoyer, Johnsen, Schuette, Tyrone Carter
and Scott.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Hope and Breen.
Representative Wozniak moved to report out HB 4482 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 9-0-2:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Lightner, BeGole, Wozniak, Harris, DeBoyer, Johnsen, Schuette, Tyrone Carter
and Scott.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Hope and Breen.
Representative Harris moved to report out HB 4483 with recommendation. The motion prevailed
9-0-2:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Lightner, BeGole, Wozniak, Harris, DeBoyer, Johnsen, Schuette, Tyrone Carter
and Scott.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Hope and Breen.
The Chair laid HB 4211 before the committee:
HB 4211
(Rep. O'Neal)
A bill to amend 1953 PA 232, entitled
"Corrections code of 1953," by amending
section 83 (MCL 791.283), as amended by
2016 PA 344.
Chair Lightner testified in support of HB 4211.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4211, but did not wish to speak:
Andrew Lehman, representing the Center for Transformation.
Jennifer Gougeon-Catarino, representing the Center for Transformation.
Conrad M. Aumann ll, representing the National Lifers of America.
Rachel Richards, representing the Michigan League for Public Policy.
Kay Perry, representing MI-CURE.
Joseph Meyer, representing A Brighter Way.
Wanda Csiki, representing herself.
Fred Welch, representing the Center for Transformation.
Jim Walters, representing himself.
Kristin Burgard, representing herself.
Jessica Cortez, representing herself.
Judy Collins, representing herself.
Mona Khaled, representing herself.
Kyle Zawicki, representing the ACLU of Michigan.
Harvey Santana, representing the Alliance for Safety & Justice.
Tony Gant, representing the Michigan Collaborative to End Mass Incarceration.
Noah Smith, representing the Criminal Defense Attorneys of Michigan.
Paul Stankewitz, representing the Michigan Catholic Conference.
John Cooper, representing Safe and Just Michigan.
Jessica Zimbelman, representing the State Appellate Defender Office.
Nicole Porter, representing The Sentencing Project.
Representative Lightner moved to adopt substitute (H-3) to HB 4211. The motion prevailed
11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Lightner, BeGole, Wozniak, Harris, DeBoyer, Johnsen, Schuette, Tyrone Carter,
Hope, Breen and Scott.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Wozniak moved to report out HB 4211 with recommendation, as substitute (H-3).
The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Lightner, BeGole, Wozniak, Harris, DeBoyer, Johnsen, Schuette, Tyrone Carter,
Hope, Breen and Scott.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 4334 and HB 4335 before the committee:
HB 4334
(Rep. Rogers)
A bill to amend 1949 PA 300, entitled
"Michigan vehicle code," by amending
sections 303, 320a, 601c, and 653a (MCL
257.303, 257.320a, 257.601c, and 257.653a),
section 303 as amended by 2024 PA 42,
section 320a as amended by 2023 PA 39,
section 601c as added by 2001 PA 103, and
section 653a as amended by 2018 PA 349, and
by adding sections 79g and 79h; and to repeal
acts and parts of acts.
HB 4335
(Rep. Wendzel)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 175, entitled "The
code of criminal procedure," by amending
section 12e of chapter XVII (MCL 777.12e),
as amended by 2011 PA 59.
Representative Rogers and Representative Wendzel testified in support of HB 4334 and HB 4335.
Questions and discussions followed.
Paul Runnels, representing the Chain Gang Bicycle Club, testified in support of HB 4334 and HB
4335.
John Waterman, Taria Siuis, Shawn Kohsmann, and Conor Waterman testified in support of HB
4334 and HB 4335.
Andrew Rohrer, Executive Director, representing the League of Michigan Bicyclists, testified in
support of HB 4334 and HB 4335.
Barb Anderson, representing the League of Michigan Bicyclists, testified in support of HB 4334
and HB 4335.
Stephanie Campbell, representing themself and David O'Brien II, testified in support of HB 4334
and HB 4335.
Paul Symanski, representing themself, testified in support of HB 4334 and HB 4335.
Jeffrey Carek, representing themself, testified in support of HB 4334 and HB 4335.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4334 and HB 4335, but did not wish to
speak:
John LaMacchia, representing the Michigan Municipal League.
Jessica Lanave, representing the family.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to HB 4334 and HB 4335, but did not wish to
speak:
Kyle Zawacki, representing the ACLU of Michigan.
The Chair laid HB 4284 before the committee:
HB 4284
(Rep. Paquette)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 372, entitled "An act
to regulate and license the selling, purchasing,
possessing, and carrying of certain firearms,
gas ejecting devices, and electro-muscular
disruption devices; to prohibit the buying,
selling, or carrying of certain firearms, gas
ejecting devices, and electro-muscular
disruption devices without a license or other
authorization; to provide for the forfeiture of
firearms and electro-muscular disruption
devices under certain circumstances; to
provide for penalties and remedies; to provide
immunity from civil liability under certain
circumstances; to prescribe the powers and
duties of certain state and local agencies; to
prohibit certain conduct against individuals
who apply for or receive a license to carry a
concealed pistol; to make appropriations; to
prescribe certain conditions for the
appropriations; and to repeal all acts and parts
of acts inconsistent with this act," by amending
section 5l (MCL 28.425l), as amended by 2017
PA 95.
Representative Paquette testified in support of HB 4284. Questions and discussions followed.
Tom Lambert, representing Michigan Open Carry, testified in support of HB 4284.
Nick Buggia, representing the NRA, testified in support of HB 4284.
Casey Armitage, representing Michigan Open Carry, testified in support of HB 4284.
Brady Schickinger, representing the Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners (MCRGO),
testified in support of HB 4284.
Mary Jankovich, representing Women for Gun Rights, testified in support of HB 4284.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4334 and HB 4335, but did not wish to
speak:
Mike Compagnoni, representing the Southeast Michigan Council of Governments
(SEMCOG).
The Chair laid HB 4947 and HB 4948 before the committee:
HB 4947
(Rep. BeGole)
A bill to amend 1978 PA 368, entitled "Public
health code," by amending sections 7340 and
7340a (MCL 333.7340 and 333.7340a),
section 7340 as added by 2006 PA 261 and
section 7340a as amended by 2014 PA 275.
HB 4948
(Rep. McFall)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 175, entitled "The
code of criminal procedure," by amending
section 13m of chapter XVII (MCL 777.13m),
as amended by 2016 PA 549.
Representative BeGole and Representative McFall testified in support of HB 4947 and HB 4948.
Questions and discussions followed.
Carlos Gutierrez, representing the Consumer Healthcare Product Association, testified in support
of HB 4947 and HB 4948.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4947 and HB 4948, but did not wish to
speak:
Drew Beardslee, representing the Michigan Retailers Association.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Lightner adjourned the meeting at
11:54 AM.
Representative Sarah Lightner, Chair
Melissa Sweet
Committee Clerk
msweet@house.mi.gov