HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON CRIMINAL JUSTICE
REP. KARA HOPE
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, May 9, 2023
9:00 AM
Room 519, House Office Building
The House Committee on Criminal Justice was called to order by Chair Hope.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Hope, Andrews, Tyrone Carter, Breen, Young, Arbit, Dievendorf,
Tsernoglou, Filler, Mueller, Bezotte, Harris, BeGole.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Representative Tsernoglou moved to adopt the meeting minutes from April 11, 2023. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
Chair Hope laid before the committee a presentation by the Michigan Association of
Treatment Court Professionals (MATCP). Kate Hude, MATCP Executive Director, gave a
presentation to the committee.
The Chair laid HB 4438 and HB 4439 before the committee:
HB 4438
(Rep. Breen)
A bill to amend 1969 PA 312, entitled "An act to
provide for compulsory arbitration of labor
disputes in municipal police and fire departments;
to define such public departments; to provide for
the selection of members of arbitration panels; to
prescribe the procedures and authority thereof;
and to provide for the enforcement and review of
awards thereof," by amending section 2 (MCL
423.232), as amended by 2011 PA 116.
HB 4439
(Rep. Bezotte)
A bill to amend 1969 PA 312, entitled "An act to
provide for compulsory arbitration of labor
disputes in municipal police and fire departments;
to define such public departments; to provide for
the selection of members of arbitration panels; to
prescribe the procedures and authority thereof;
and to provide for the enforcement and review of
awards thereof," by amending sections 5 and 7a
(MCL 423.235 and 423.237a), section 5 as
amended by 2011 PA 116.
Representative Breen and Representative Bezotte testified in support of HB 4438 and HB
4439. Questions and discussion followed.
Ryan Steverson representing the Jackson County Police Officers Association of Michigan
testified in support of HB 4438 and HB 4439.
David LaMontaine representing the Police Officers Association of Michigan testified in
support of HB 4438 and HB 4439.
Sheriff Raphael Washington of Wayne County representing the Michigan Sheriffs'
Association testified in support of HB 4438 and HB 4439.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4438 and HB 4439, but did not wish
to speak:
Matt Saxton, Executive Director, representing the Michigan Sheriffs' Association.
Mike Sauger, President, representing the Michigan Fraternal Order of Policy.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4438, but did not wish to speak:
Madeline Fata, representing the Michigan Association of Counties.
Steve Delie, representing the Mackinac Center for Public Policy.
The Chair laid HB 4160, HB 4161, HB 4162, HB 4163 and HB 4164 before the committee:
HB 4160
(Rep. Young)
A bill to amend 1953 PA 232, entitled
"Corrections code of 1953," by amending section
34 (MCL 791.234), as amended by 2019 PA 14.
HB 4161
(Rep. Wilson)
A bill to amend 1978 PA 368, entitled "Public
health code," by amending section 17764 (MCL
333.17764), as amended by 2004 PA 214.
HB 4162
(Rep. O'Neal)
A bill to amend 1931 PA 328, entitled "The
Michigan penal code," by amending sections 16,
18, 200i, 204, 207, 209, 210, 211a, 316, 436, and
543f (MCL 750.16, 750.18, 750.200i, 750.204,
750.207, 750.209, 750.210, 750.211a, 750.316,
750.436, and 750.543f), sections 16, 18, 200i, 204,
207, 209, 210, 211a, 436, and 543f as amended by
2014 PA 23 and section 316 as amended by 2022
PA 149, and by adding section 506b.
HB 4163
(Rep. Hope)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 175, entitled "The code
of criminal procedure," by amending sections 1
and 1b of chapter IX (MCL 769.1 and 769.1b),
section 1 as amended by 1999 PA 87 and section
1b as amended by 1998 PA 520; and to repeal acts
and parts of acts.
HB 4164
(Rep. VanderWall)
A bill to amend 1939 PA 288, entitled "Probate
code of 1939," by amending section 18 of chapter
XIIA (MCL 712A.18), as amended by 2022 PA
209.
Representative Young, Representative O'Neal, Representative VanderWall, and
Representative Wilson testified in support of HB 4160, HB 4161, HB 4162, HB 4163 and HB
4164. Questions and discussion followed.
Michael Sepic, retired Berrien County Prosecuting Attorney testified in opposition to HB
4160, HB 4161, HB 4162, HB 4163 and HB 4164.
Ronnie Waters and Leon Douglas representing the Safe and Just Michigan testified in support
of HB 4160, HB 4161, HB 4162, HB 4163 and HB 4164.
Karen Jackson and Crystal Grigonis representing the Co-victims testified in opposition to HB
4160, HB 4161, HB 4162, HB 4163 and HB 4164.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4160, HB 4161, HB 4162, HB 4163
and HB 4164, but due to the time constraints were unable to speak:
Tina Olson, representing the State Appellate Defenders Office and the Defense Attorneys
of Michigan.
Bonnie Zabel, representing the Son / Nation Outside.
Preston Shipp, Senior Policy Counsel, representing the Campaign for the Fair Sentencing
of Youth.
Eric Alexander, Senior Advocate, representing the Campaign for the Fair Sentencing of
Youth.
Jose Burgos, Reentry Specialist, representing the State Appellate Defender Office.
Valencia Warren-Gibbs, representing the herself as a survivor of youth violence.
Deb LaBelle, representing the herself as a criminal defense attorney and juvenile justice
expert.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4160, HB 4161, HB 4162, HB
4163 and HB 4164, but due to the time constraints were unable to speak:
Sheriff Fuller and Sheriff Wriggelsworth, representing the Michigan Sheriffs'
Association.
Doug Lloyd, Eaton County Prosecuting Attorney, representing the Prosecuting Attorneys
Association of Michigan.
Lola Hubbard, representing the John W. Hubbard.
John Hubbard, representing the The late John Hubbard.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4160, but due to the time
constraints were unable to speak:
Paye Kirk, representing the Michigan Association of Chiefs of Polic.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4162, but due to the time constraints
were unable to speak:
Estee Zandee, representing the themself.
Sandy Hunwick Schafke, representing the Michael Hills.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4160, HB 4161, HB 4162, HB 4163
and HB 4164, but did not wish to speak:
Gabrielle Dresner, representing the ACLU of Michigan.
Rachel Richards, representing the Michigan League for Public Policy.
John Cooper, representing the Safe and Just Michigan.
Jessica Zimbelman, representing the Criminal Defense Attorneys of Michigan.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4160, HB 4161, HB 4162, HB
4163 and HB 4164, but did not wish to speak:
Matt Saxton, Executive Director, representing the Michigan Sheriffs' Association.
Teresa Catey, representing the John Hubbard.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Hope adjourned the meeting at
10:21 AM.
Representative Kara Hope, Chair
Melissa Sweet
Committee Clerk
msweet@house.mi.gov
Date Adopted: May 16, 2023