HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS
REP. BRANDT IDEN
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Wednesday, October 2, 2019
Room 519, House Office Building
The House Standing Committee on Ways and Means was called to order by the Chair Iden.
The Chair requested attendance be called:
Present: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Absent/Excused: None.
At 10:38 AM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 10:42 AM, with all members present, the Chair called the committee back to order.
Representative Warren moved to adopt the meeting minutes from September 18, 2019. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4389, HB 4390 and HB 4391 before the committee:
HB 4389
(Rep. Allor)
A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled
"Natural resources and environmental protection act,"(MCL
324.101 to 324.90106) by amending the heading of subpart 1
of part 147 and by adding sections 14701, 14703, 14705, and
14707.
HB 4390
(Rep. Yaroch)
A bill to amend 1966 PA 291, entitled
"Firefighters training council act, "by amending sections 2
and 9 (MCL 29.362 and 29.369), as amended by 2017 PA
144, and by adding section 9c.
HB 4391
(Rep. Yaroch)
A bill to amend 1974 PA 154, entitled
"Michigan occupational safety and health act, "by amending
section 14 (MCL 408.1014), as amended by 2012 PA 415,
and by adding section 14r.
Representative Lilly moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4389. The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly moved to adopt substitute (H-2) to HB 4389. The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly moved to report out HB 4389 with recommendation, as substitute (H-2).
The motion prevailed 11-0-0.
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4390. The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly moved to report out HB 4390 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 11-0-0.
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly moved to adopt substitute (H-2) to HB 4391. The motion prevailed 11-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Lilly moved to report out HB 4391 with recommendation, as substitute (H-2).
The motion prevailed 11-0-0.
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The following people submitted a card with a neutral position on HB 4389, HB 4390 and HB
4391, but did not wish to speak:
Mike Burke, representing the Michigan State Firemens Association.
Don Bigger, representing the Michigan Fire Service Instructors Association.
Ron Farr, representing the Michigan Fire Inspectors Society.
Mark Docherty, representing the Michigan Professional Firefighters.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4389, HB 4390 and HB 4391, but did
not wish to speak:
Derek Sova, representing the Michigan Licensing and Regulatory Affairs.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4389, but did not wish to speak:
Travis Boeskool, representing the Department of Environment, Great Lakes, and Energy.
Jesse Osmer representing Office of Representative Sue Allor, testified in support of HB 4389 and
HB 4349.
The Chair laid HB 4731 before the committee:
HB 4731
(Rep. Yaroch)
A bill to amend 2001 PA 142, entitled
"Michigan memorial highway act, "by amending section 21b
(MCL 250.1021b), as added by 2019 PA 4.
Representative Wentworth moved to report out HB 4731 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 11-0-0.
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 4349 before the committee:
HB 4349
(Rep. Allor)
A bill to amend 2001 PA 142, entitled
"Michigan memorial highway act,"(MCL 250.1001 to
250.2081) by adding section 42b.
Representative Kahle moved to report out HB 4349 with recommendation. The motion prevailed
11-0-0.
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Iden, Lilly, Leutheuser, Griffin, Hauck, Kahle, Wentworth, Warren, Byrd,
Neeley, Hertel.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 4325 before the committee:
HB 4325
(Rep. Miller)
A bill to amend 1978 PA 368, entitled
"Public health code, "by amending sections 18101, 18107,
18111, and 18115 (MCL 333.18101, 333.18107, 333.18111,
and 333.18115), sections 18101 and 18111 as added by 1988
PA 421, section 18107 as amended by 1989 PA 262, and
section 18115 as amended by 2006 PA 429, and by adding
sections 18106 and 18116.
Representative Miller and Representative Vaupel testified in support of HB 4325.
Dr. Irene Ametrano and Dr. Sara Sue Schaeffer representing Michigan Mental Health Counselors
Association, testified in support of HB 4325.
Sally Reames representing Community Healing Centers, testified in support of HB 4325.
Daniel J. Hitz representing Himself, testified in support of HB 4325.
Elizabeth Treger representing LPC's, testified in support of HB 4325.
Stephanie Grant, PhD, LPC representing LPC's in Michigan, testified in support of HB 4325.
Karen Smigelski representing LPC's, testified in support of HB 4325.
Shannon Jordan representing Willows Edge, testified in support of HB 4325.
Michael Joy representing Michigan Counseling Association, testified in support of HB 4325.
Amanda Luteran representing LPC, testified in support of HB 4325.
Tara Michener representing Licensed Professional Counselors, testified in support of HB 4325.
Tiffany Ruddy representing LPC, testified in support of HB 4325.
Jason W. Michener representing Michener Association, testified in support of HB 4325.
Dr. Judith Kovach representing Michigan Psychological Association, testified in opposition of
HB 4325.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4325, but due to the time constraints
were unable to speak:
Shearce Presely, Faith Sours Counseling
Kelly Roberson, Licensed Professional Counselors
Carol Berger, Herself
Erin Olford, Herself
Ann Marie Cea, LPC's
LaNeisha J. Murphy, LPC's of Michigan
Sarah Balogh MA, LLPC, LPC's
Mark Sutton, American Legion- Department of Michigan
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4325, but did not wish to speak:
Victoria Evangelista, representing the LLPC's-LPC's.
Amber Somerville, representing the Michigan Clients.
Scott, representing the LPC's.
Daniel Rosenblum, representing the LPC.
Dawn Streeter, representing the Michigan Clients.
John McNamara, representing the McLaren Healthcare.
Josh Robertson, representing the Children Advocacy Centers.
Annette Downey, CEO, representing the Oakland Community Health Network.
Gabe Schneider, representing the Munson Healthcare.
Paige Fults, representing the Michigan Health and Hospice Association.
Deborah J. Smith, PhD, LPC, representing the Wellness, Inx.
Christina Polk, representing the New Oakland Family Centers- Clinical Director.
Jaime Clayton, representing the Oakland Family Services.
Marnie Leavitt, representing the The Women's Center.
Stephanie Wright, representing the The Wright Counseling.
Thomas Shannon, representing the Mott Community College-Counseling Department.
Veronica Visgor, representing the All Things Possible Wellness Center.
Tonya Ratliff, representing the Trinity Family Counseling Center.
Anne Gupton, representing the Mott Community College-Counseling Department.
Dr. Janet Glass, representing the Spring Arbor University Counseling Program.
Dr. Nancy Calleja, representing the University of Detroit-mercy Counseling Program.
Dr. Gloria Lee, representing the Michigan State University Counseling Program.
Todd Leibert, PhD LPC, NCC, representing the Oakland University Counseling Program.
Dr. Stephen Craig, representing the Western Michigan University Counseling Program.
Dr. Scott Branson, representing the Wayne State University Counseling Program.
Meshia Schultz, MA, LPC, NCC, representing the Small Business Owner.
Jill Martin, representing the LPC.
Jessica Mayer, representing the LPC.
Renee Edmondson, representing the Community Health Alliance of Michigan.
David Newman, representing the Michigan Primary Care Association.
Sean McBrearty, representing the Clean Water Action.
Jean Doss, representing the Michigan School Counselor Association.
Sara Lurie, representing the CMHA-CEI.
David Belardemo, representing the Spectrum Health System.
Adam Nash, representing the LPC's.
Bridget Nash, representing the LPC's.
Rebecca Fitton, representing the Herself.
Anthony Benedict, representing the Himself.
Lisa Crane, representing the Licensed Professional Counselor's.
Alan Bolter, representing the CMH Association of Michigan.
Justin Fisher, representing the Michigan Psychiatric Soceity.
There being no further business before the committee, Rep. Brandt Iden adjourned the meeting at
11:58 AM.
Representative Brandt Iden, Chair
Edward Sleeper
Committee Clerk
esleeper@house.mi.gov