HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON REGULATORY REFORM
REP. JOSEPH A. ARAGONA
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, October 30, 2025
9:00 AM
Room 519, House Office
Building
The House Committee on Regulatory Reform was called to order by Chair Aragona.
The Chair requested attendance to be called:
Present: Reps. Aragona, Fairbairn, Wozniak, Wendzel, Tisdel, Hoadley, Neyer, Rigas,
Thompson, Linting, Liberati, Tyrone Carter, Witwer, Neeley, Dievendorf and Grant.
Absent: Rep. Whitsett.
Excused: Rep. Whitsett.
Representative Fairbairn moved to adopt the meeting minutes from October 23, 2025. There being
no objection, the motion prevailed with unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4745 before the committee:
HB 4745
(Rep. Woolford)
A bill to amend 1975 PA 169, entitled
"Charitable organizations and solicitations
act," by amending section 13 (MCL 400.283),
as amended by 2010 PA 377.
Representative Linting moved to report out HB 4745 with recommendation. The motion prevailed
15-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Aragona, Fairbairn, Wozniak, Wendzel, Tisdel, Hoadley, Neyer, Rigas,
Thompson, Linting, Liberati, Tyrone Carter, Witwer, Neeley and Grant.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 4692 and HB 4693 before the committee:
HB 4692
(Rep. Rigas)
A bill to amend 1980 PA 299, entitled
"Occupational code," (MCL 339.101 to
339.2677) by adding section 1205b.
HB 4693
(Rep. Liberati)
A bill to amend 1979 PA 152, entitled "State
license fee act," by amending sections 9 and 25
(MCL 338.2209 and 338.2225), section 9 as
amended by 1988 PA 461 and section 25 as
amended by 2023 PA 131.
Representative Thompson moved to report out HB 4692 with recommendation that the bill be
referred to the Committee on Rules. The motion prevailed 16-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Aragona, Fairbairn, Wozniak, Wendzel, Tisdel, Hoadley, Neyer, Rigas,
Thompson, Linting, Liberati, Tyrone Carter, Witwer, Neeley, Dievendorf and Grant.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Rigas moved to report out HB 4693 with recommendation that the bill be referred
to the Committee on Rules. The motion prevailed 16-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Aragona, Fairbairn, Wozniak, Wendzel, Tisdel, Hoadley, Neyer, Rigas,
Thompson, Linting, Liberati, Tyrone Carter, Witwer, Neeley, Dievendorf and Grant.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 4254 before the committee:
HB 4254
(Rep. Aragona)
A bill to amend 1978 PA 368, entitled "Public
health code," by amending sections 2674,
2675, and 2678 (MCL 333.2674, 333.2675,
and 333.2678) and by adding sections 2670
and 2675a; and to repeal acts and parts of acts.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4254, but did not wish to speak:
Tiffany Perkins, representing the PAWS Friend Network.
Jenna Meseke, representing herself.
Teresa LaCross, representing the Michigan Anti-Cruelty Society.
Karen Hahn, representing herself.
Kim DeFusco, representingherself.
Kathi Groenendyk, Ph.D., representing the Dent County Animal Shelter.
Representative Hoadley moved to report out HB 4254 with recommendation that the bill be
referred to the Committee on Rules. The motion prevailed 14-0-2:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Aragona, Fairbairn, Wozniak, Tisdel, Hoadley, Rigas, Thompson, Linting,
Liberati, Tyrone Carter, Witwer, Neeley, Dievendorf and Grant.
Nays: None.
Pass: Reps. Wendzel and Neyer.
At 9:08 AM, the Chair laid the committee at ease.
At 9:09 AM, Majority Vice Chair Fairbairn called the committee back to order.
The Chair laid HB 4963 before the committee:
HB 4963
(Rep. Aragona)
A bill to amend 2018 IL 1, entitled "Michigan
Regulation and Taxation of Marihuana Act,"
by amending sections 3, 8, 11, and 14 (MCL
333.27953, 333.27958, 333.27961, and
333.27964), sections 3 and 8 as amended by
2023 PA 166 and section 14 as amended by
2023 PA 165.
Chair Aragona testified in support of HB 4963. Questions and discussions followed.
Clark Orthwein, representing Objectiv, testified in support of HB 4963. Questions and discussions
followed.
At 9:13 AM, Majority Vice Chair Fairbairn laid the committee at ease.
At 9:14 AM, the Chair called the committee back to order.
The following person submitted a card with a neutral position on HB 4963, but did not wish to
speak:
Dereck Sova, representing the CRA.
Chair Aragona laid before the committee a presentation from Lume. David Morrow and Doug
Hellyar, both representing Lume, and Kevin Blair from Honigman, gave a presentation to the
committee. Questions and discussion followed.
The Chair laid HB 4969 before the committee:
HB 4969
(Rep. Cavitt)
A bill to regulate the distribution, sale, and
manufacture of kratom products; to require
licensing for certain conduct related to kratom
and kratom products; to prohibit the
distribution, sale, and manufacturing of certain
kratom products; to provide for the powers and
duties of certain state governmental officers
and entities; to prescribe fines and sanctions;
to provide remedies; and to require the
promulgation of rules.
Representative Cavitt testified in support of HB 4969. Questions and discussions followed.
Mac Haddow, representing the American Kratom Association, testified in support of HB 4969.
John Cleveland, representing the Holistic Alternative Recovery Trust (HART), testified in
opposition to HB 4969. Questions and discussions followed.
Walker Gallman, representing the Global Kratom Coalition, testified in support of HB 4969.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4969, but did not wish to speak:
Elizabeth Kutter, representing the Michigan Health & Hospital Association.
The following people submitted a card wishing to speak in support of HB 4969, but due to the time
constraints were unable to speak:
Andrew Kulpa, representing Botanical for Better Health.
David and Melody Woolf, representing Michigan resident users.
The following people submitted a card wishing to speak in opposition to HB 4969, but due to the
time constraints were unable to speak:
Dr. Edward Boyer, Toxicologist.
Sarah Bauer, representing herself.
Dereck Sova, representing the CRA.
Representative Dievendorf moved to excuse Representative Whitsett from the meeting. There
being no objection the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Aragona adjourned the meeting at
10:32 AM.
Representative Joseph A. Aragona, Chair
Melissa Sweet
Committee Clerk
msweet@house.mi.gov