MEMBERS:
SEN. CURTIS S. VANDERWALL, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. TOM BARRETT
SEN. RUTH A. JOHNSON
SEN. JIM RUNESTAD
SEN. STEPHANIE CHANG, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. JEFF IRWIN
THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY AND PUBLIC
SAFETY
SENATOR PETER J. LUCIDO
CHAIR
3100 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-7670
FAX: (517) 373-5958
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
October 10, 2019
A meeting of the Senate Committee on Judiciary and Public Safety was scheduled for Thursday, October 10,
2019, at 8:00 a.m., in the 1100 Room of the Binsfeld Building.
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The agenda summary is as follows:
1. Reported HB 4133 (S-1) (Rep. Hauck) with recommendation and immediate effect.
2. Reported HB 4134 (Rep. Wozniak) with recommendation and immediate effect.
3. Reported HB 4135 (Rep. Calley) with recommendation and immediate effect.
4. Reported HB 4136 (Rep. Berman) with recommendation and immediate effect.
5. Reported HB 4137 (Rep. Webber) with recommendation and immediate effect.
6. Reported HB 4138 (Rep. Rendon) with recommendation and immediate effect.
7. Reported HB 4139 (Rep. LaGrand) with recommendation and immediate effect.
8. Reported HB 4140 (S-1) (Rep. Guerra) with recommendation and immediate effect.
9. Reported HB 4141 (Rep. Neeley) with recommendation and immediate effect.
10. Reported HB 4142 (Rep. Elder) with recommendation and immediate effect.
11. Reported HB 4143 (Rep. Love) with recommendation and immediate effect.
12. Reported HB 4144 (Rep. Brann) (S-1) with recommendation and immediate effect.
13. Reported HB 4145 (Rep. Filler) with recommendation and immediate effect.
14. Reported HB 4146 (Rep. Whiteford) with recommendation and immediate effect.
15. Reported HB 4443 (Rep. Hoitenga) with recommendation and immediate effect.
16. Reported HB 4452 (Rep. Garrett) with recommendation and immedieate effect.
17. Reported SB 276 (S-1) (Sen. Barrett) with recommendation and immediate effect.
18. Reported SB 277 (S-1) (Sen. Chang) with recommendation and immediate effect.
19. Presentation by the Michigan State Police on the Impaired Driving Safety Commission report.
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The Chairman called the meeting to order at 8:05 a.m. He instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time,
the following members were present: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and
Irwin, a quorum was present.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. VanderWall to adopt the meeting minutes from October 3, 2019.
Without objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chairman recessed the committee from 8:13 a.m. to 8:14 a.m.
The Chairman invited Nick Capone of Rep. Graham Filler to summarize the house Raise the Age package of
bills.
The cards were read of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding HB 4133-HB
4146, HB 4443 and HB 4452:
David Kenzek, the Office of Attorney General Dana Nessel – Support
Jason Smith, Michigan Council on crime and Delinquency – Support
Meghann Keit, Michigan Association of Counties – Support
Alex Rossman, Michigan League for Public Policy – Support
Jared Burkhart, Michigan Chapter American Academy of Pediatrics – Support
Brandon Lanyon, Prosecuting Attorneys Association of Michigan – Support
Josh Hoe, Safe and Just Michigan – Support
Sandi Metclaf, Michigan Association of Family Court Administration – Support
Carla Grezeszak, Northern Michigan Juvenile Officers Association – Support
Renee Edmonson, School Community Health Alliance – Support
Kimberly Buddin, American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan - Support
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. VanderWall to adopt the (S-1) version of HB 4133. The vote
was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the (S-1) was adopted.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. VanderWall to report HB 4133 (S-1) to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4133 (S-1). Without objection, immediate effect
was recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Barrett to report HB 4134 to the floor with recommendation that
it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4134. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Johnson to report HB 4135 to the floor with recommendation
that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4135. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. VanderWall to report HB 4136 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4136. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. VanderWall to report HB 4137 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4137. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Barrett to report HB 4138 to the floor with recommendation that
it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4138. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Chang to report HB 4139 to the floor with recommendation that
it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4139. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Chang to adopt the (S-1) version of HB 4140. The vote was as
follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the (S-1) was adopted.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Irwin to report HB 4140 (S-1) to the floor with recommendation
that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4140 (S-1). Without objection, immediate effect
was recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Irwin to report HB 4141 to the floor with recommendation that
it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4141. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Chang to report HB 4142 to the floor with recommendation that
it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4142. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Irwin to report HB 4143 to the floor with recommendation that
it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4143. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. VanderWall to adopt the (S-1) version of HB 4144. The vote
was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the (S-1) was adopted.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Barrett to report HB 4144 (S-1) to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4144 (S-1). Without objection, immediate effect
was recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. VanderWall to report HB 4145 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4145. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Barrett to report HB 4146 to the floor with recommendation that
it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4146. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. VanderWall to report HB 4443 to the floor with
recommendation that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4443. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Irwin to report HB 4452 to the floor with recommendation that
it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Johnson, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for HB 4452. Without objection, immediate effect was
recommended.
The Chairman brought up the (S-1) version of SB 276 which was adopted during the September 12, 2019
committee hearing; and the (S-1) version of SB 277 which was adopted during the October 3, 2019
committee hearing.
The cards were read of those individuals not wishing to testify before the committee regarding SB 276 and
SB 277:
David Knezek, The Office of Attorney General Dana Nessel – Support
Margo Bruner, Perpetual Harvest Sustainable Solutions – Support
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Barrett to report SB 276 (S-1) to the floor with recommendation
that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
Pass: Sen. Johnson
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for SB 276 (S-1). Without objection, immediate effect
was recommended.
The Chairman entertained a motion by Sen. Barrett to report SB 277 (S-1) to the floor with recommendation
that it pass. The vote was as follows:
Yeas: Chairman Lucido, Sen.(s) VanderWall, Barrett, Chang and Irwin
Nays: None
Pass: Sen. Johnson
The motion prevailed and the bill was reported.
The Chairman moved recommend immediate effect for SB 277 (S-1). Without objection, immediate effect
was recommended.
The Chairman recessed the committee from 8:37 a.m. to 8:38 a.m.
The Chairman invited Lt. Colonel Arnold, of the Michigan State Police, Mr. Nicholas J. Fillinger, a forensic
toxicologist, and Dr. Norbert E. Kaminski, a professor of pharmacology and toxicology whose expertise is in
the area of cannabis pharmacology and toxicology to give a presentation on the Report from the Impaired
Driving Safety Commission.
At 8:45 a.m., Sen. Runestad entered the meeting.
The Chairman invited Bridget Lemberg from Forensic Fluid Laboratories to give testimony regarding fluid
sampling and testing.
There being no further business before the committee, the Chairman moved to adjourn the meeting. Without
objection, the committee was adjourned at 9:43 a.m.
Date Adopted by Committee: 10.24.2019