HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON REGULATORY REFORM
REP. JOSEPH A. ARAGONA
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, November 13, 2025
9:00 AM
Room 519, House Office
Building
The House Committee on Regulatory Reform was called to order by Chair Aragona.
The Chair requested attendance to be called:
Present: Reps. Aragona, Fairbairn, Wozniak, Wendzel, Tisdel, Hoadley, Neyer, Rigas,
Thompson, Linting, Liberati, Tyrone Carter, Witwer and Dievendorf.
Absent: Reps. Whitsett, Neeley and Grant.
Excused: Reps. Whitsett, Neeley and Grant.
Representative Fairbairn moved to adopt the meeting minutes from November 06, 2025. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed with unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4969 before the committee:
HB 4969
(Rep. Cavitt)
A bill to regulate the distribution, sale, and
manufacture of kratom products; to require
licensing for certain conduct related to kratom
and kratom products; to prohibit the
distribution, sale, and manufacturing of certain
kratom products; to provide for the powers and
duties of certain state governmental officers
and entities; to prescribe fines and sanctions;
to provide remedies; and to require the
promulgation of rules.
Representative Cavitt testified in support of HB 4969. Questions and discussions followed.
Bruce Wade, Clinton Township Trustee, testified in support of HB 4969. Questions and
discussions followed.
Dr. Edward Boyer, toxicologist, representing himself, testified in opposition to HB 4969.
Questions and discussions followed.
Mac Haddow, representing the American Kratom Association, testified in support of HB 4969.
Questions and discussions followed.
The following person submitted a card with a neutral position on HB 4969, but did not wish to
speak:
Mikaylah Heffernan, representing the Michigan Department of Agriculture and Rural
Development.
Representative Fairbairn moved to adopt substitute (H-2) to HB 4969. The motion prevailed
14-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Aragona, Fairbairn, Wozniak, Wendzel, Tisdel, Hoadley, Neyer, Rigas,
Thompson, Linting, Liberati, Tyrone Carter, Witwer and Dievendorf.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Fairbairn moved to report out HB 4969 with recommendation, as substitute (H-2).
The motion prevailed 12-1-1:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Aragona, Fairbairn, Wozniak, Wendzel, Hoadley, Neyer, Rigas, Thompson,
Linting, Liberati, Tyrone Carter and Witwer.
Nays: Rep. Dievendorf.
Pass: Rep. Tisdel.
The Chair laid HB 4501 before the committee:
HB 4501
(Rep. Mueller)
A bill to amend 2018 IL 1, entitled "Michigan
Regulation and Taxation of Marihuana Act,"
by amending section 7 (MCL 333.27957), as
amended by 2023 PA 166.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4501, but did not wish to speak:
Melissa Wlodkowski, representing herself.
Representative Liberati moved to report out HB 4501 with recommendation that the bill be
referred to the Committee on Rules. The motion prevailed 14-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Aragona, Fairbairn, Wozniak, Wendzel, Tisdel, Hoadley, Neyer, Rigas,
Thompson, Linting, Liberati, Tyrone Carter, Witwer and Dievendorf.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 4678 and HB 4679 before the committee:
HB 4678
(Rep. Aragona)
A bill to amend 1964 PA 283, entitled
"Weights and measures act," (MCL 290.601 to
290.635) by adding section 28g.
HB 4679
(Rep. Liberati)
A bill to amend 1964 PA 283, entitled
"Weights and measures act," by amending
sections 10 and 28c (MCL 290.610 and
290.628c), section 28c as amended by 2022
PA 273.
Representative Liberati moved to report out HB 4678 with recommendation. The motion prevailed
14-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Aragona, Fairbairn, Wozniak, Wendzel, Tisdel, Hoadley, Neyer, Rigas,
Thompson, Linting, Liberati, Tyrone Carter, Witwer and Dievendorf.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Hoadley moved to report out HB 4679 with recommendation that the bill be
referred to the Committee on Rules. The motion prevailed 14-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Aragona, Fairbairn, Wozniak, Wendzel, Tisdel, Hoadley, Neyer, Rigas,
Thompson, Linting, Liberati, Tyrone Carter, Witwer and Dievendorf.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 5060 and HB 5061 before the committee:
HB 5060
(Rep. Pavlov)
A bill to require certain establishments to hire
bouncers only with certain training; to require
the promulgation of rules; and to provide
remedies.
HB 5061
(Rep. Pavlov)
A bill to amend 1998 PA 58, entitled
"Michigan liquor control code of 1998," by
amending section 906 (MCL 436.1906), as
amended by 2008 PA 218.
Representative Pavlov testified in support of HB 5060 and HB 5061. Questions and discussions
followed.
Sandy Schultz, representing her son, Joshua Conant, testified in support of HB 5060 and HB 5061.
Questions and discussions followed.
Mark Sanderson, representing Joshua Conant, testified in support of HB 5060 and HB 5061.
Questions and discussions followed.
James Freed, representing the City of Port Huron, testified in support of HB 5060 and HB 5061.
Questions and discussions followed.
Ben Ries, representing the office of Representative Pavlov, came forward for questions and
discussion.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 5060 and HB 5061, but did not wish to
speak:
Mike Conant, representing his son, Joshua Conant.
Joanne VanBuskirk, representing Joshua Conant.
Jeffery Scott Maxon, representing Joshua Conant.
Barbara Blain, representing Joshua Conant and Sandy Schultz.
Joseph DeYonker, representing Joshua Conant.
David Hart, representing Joshua Conant.
James F. Feher II, representing Joshua Conant.
Hannah Hart, representing Joshua Conant.
Mark Sanderson, representing themself.
June Asselin, representing themself.
Pauline Repp, representing Joshua Conant.
Randall Rostine, representing Joshua Conant.
Karen A. Goold, representing Joshua Conant.
Austin Smitz, representing Joshua Conant.
Clarence F. Blair, representing Joshua Conant and Sandy Schultz.
Mark VanBuskirk, representing Joshua Conant.
Alec Moore, representing Joshua Conant.
Curtis Karl, representing Joshua Conant.
Abigail Morden, representing Joshua Conant.
Michelle Mensinger, representing Joshua Conant.
Eric G. Goold, representing Joshua Conant.
Sarah Conant, representing Joshua Conant.
Kirk Kammer, representing Joshua Conant.
Dan Schultz, representing Joshua Conant.
Jerry Hendrick, representing Joshua Conant.
Carol Kammer, representing Joshua Conant.
Michael S. Sanderson, representing Joshua Conant.
Ivah Newman, representing her cousin, Joshua Conant.
Emily Sanderson, representing Joshua Conant.
Jonathan Sanderson, representing Joshua Conant.
Rachael Farquhar, representing Joshua Conant.
Katherine Sanderson, representing Joshua Conant.
Lindsey McKay, representing her cousin, Joshua Conant.
John W. Sanderson, representing Joshua Conant.
Amy Sanderson, representing her nephew, Joshua Conant.
Jennifer Lien, representing Joshua Conant.
Jannett Conant, representing Joshua Conant.
Sherry Archibald, representing the Port Huron City Council and Joshua Conant.
Sydney Sanderson, representing Joshua Conant.
Brenton Hissock, representing themself.
Casey Donnenworth, representing Joshua Conant.
Cheryl Donnenworth, representing themself.
Jennifer Brown, representing themself.
Michael McNutt, representing themself.
Andrew Thompson, representing themself.
Olivia Brown, representing themself.
The Chair laid HB 4388 before the committee:
HB 4388
(Rep. Tisdel)
A bill to establish age verification and consent
requirements related to the opening and use of
social media accounts by residents of this
state; to establish certain standards for social
media accounts of minors; to establish certain
requirements related to accessing the social
media accounts of minors; to provide for the
powers and duties of certain state
governmental officers and entities; to prohibit
certain acts related to social media accounts of
minors; to prescribe civil sanctions and
provide remedies; to provide for the
promulgation of rules; and to declare certain
contractual provisions void and unenforceable.
Representative Tisdel testified in support of HB 4388. Questions and discussions followed.
Megan Stokes, representing the Computer & Communications Industry Association, testified in
opposition to HB 4388. Questions and discussions followed.
Caden Rosenbaum, representing the Reason Institute, testified in opposition to HB 4388.
Amy Bos, representing NetChoice, testified in opposition to HB 4388.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4388, but did not wish to speak:
Paul Stankewitz, representing the Michigan Catholic Conference.
The following people submitted a card in opposition to HB 4388, but did not wish to speak:
Melissa Wlodkowski, representing herself.
Kyle Zawacki, representing the ACLU of Michigan.
Representative Liberati moved to excuse Representatives Whitsett, Neeley and Grant from the
meeting. There being no objection the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Aragona adjourned the meeting at
10:23 AM.
Representative Joseph A. Aragona, Chair
Melissa Sweet
Committee Clerk
msweet@house.mi.gov