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MEMBERS:
SEN. SYLVIA SANTANA, MAJORITY VICE CHAIR
SEN. JEFF IRWIN
SEN. RICK OUTMAN, MINORITY VICE CHAIR
THE SENATE
APPROPRIATIONS SUBCOMMITTEE ON
CORRECTIONS AND JUDICIARY
SENATOR SUE SHINK
CHAIR
4200 BINSFELD OFFICE BUILDING
P.O. BOX 30036
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536
PHONE: (517) 373-2426
DRAFT
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
April 10, 2025
A meeting of the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Corrections and Judiciary was scheduled for
Thursday, April 10, 2025, at 1:30 p.m. in the Room 1300 of the Binsfeld Office Building.
The Chair called the meeting to order at 1:30 p.m.. The Chair instructed the Clerk to call the roll. At that time,
the following members were present: Chair Shink, Sen.(s) Irwin and Outman
The Chair entertained a motion by Senator Irwin to adopt the meeting minutes from March 20, 2025. Without
objection, the minutes were adopted.
The Chair entertained a motion by Senator Irwin to excuse absent members from the meeting. Without
objection, Senator Santana was temporarily excused from the meeting.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding Nation Outside and expansion of
their reentry programs:

Cecilia Zavala – Executive Director

Scott Dane - Director of Administration
Senator Santana asked about the impact on their programs if funding was reduced. Senator Outman asked about
the average gap between release from prison and gainful employment.
At 1:37 p.m., Senator Santana entered the meeting.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding reentry programs provided by Flip
the Script:

Dan Varner – President and CEO

Greg Anderson – Vice President for Workforce Development
Senator Shink asked questions regarding the new opportunities being offered. Senator Outman asked about the
types of offenses committed by their program participants. Senator Santana asked about the reduction of
services in Wayne County if program is expanded into other areas.
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The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding programs provided by Chance for
Life:

Thomas Adams - President

Felicia Dyer and Julio Martinez – Program Participants
No questions were asked by members.
The Chair invited the following individuals to present testimony regarding nonpayment for ambulance services
provided to the MDOC:

Ron Slagell – President and CEO, Huron Valley Ambulance

Jeff White – Chief, Richmond and Lenox Township EMS
No questions were asked by members.
The Chair invited Kyle Kaminski from the Department of Corrections to answer member questions regarding
nonpayment for ambulance services provided to the MDOC. He discussed how the Department of Corrections
is currently in litigation over the matter.
There being no further business before the committee, the Chair made a motion, supported by Senator Santana,
to adjourn the committee at 2:55 p.m. Without objection, the committee was adjourned.