HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY
REP. SARAH LIGHTNER
CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
Wednesday, November 12,
2025
10:30 AM
Room 521, House Office
Building
The House Committee on Judiciary was called to order by Chair Lightner.
The Chair requested attendance to be called:
Present: Reps. Lightner, BeGole, Wozniak, Harris, DeBoyer, Johnsen, Schuette, Tyrone
Carter, Breen and Scott.
Absent: Rep. Hope.
Excused: Rep. Hope.
Representative Johnsen moved to adopt the meeting minutes from November 05, 2025. There
being no objection, the motion prevailed with unanimous consent.
Representative Wozniak moved to excuse Representative Hope from the meeting. There being no
objection the motion prevailed by unanimous consent.
The Chair laid HB 4284 before the committee:
HB 4284
(Rep. Paquette)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 372, entitled "An act
to regulate and license the selling, purchasing,
possessing, and carrying of certain firearms,
gas ejecting devices, and electro-muscular
disruption devices; to prohibit the buying,
selling, or carrying of certain firearms, gas
ejecting devices, and electro-muscular
disruption devices without a license or other
authorization; to provide for the forfeiture of
firearms and electro-muscular disruption
devices under certain circumstances; to
provide for penalties and remedies; to provide
immunity from civil liability under certain
circumstances; to prescribe the powers and
duties of certain state and local agencies; to
prohibit certain conduct against individuals
who apply for or receive a license to carry a
concealed pistol; to make appropriations; to
prescribe certain conditions for the
appropriations; and to repeal all acts and parts
of acts inconsistent with this act," by amending
section 5l (MCL 28.425l), as amended by 2017
PA 95.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to HB 4284, but did not wish to speak:
Denise Hartsough, representing the League of Women Voters.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4284, but did not wish to speak:
Casey Armitage, representing herself.
Representative Tyrone Carter offered the following amendment to HB 4284:
1. Amend page 8, following line 19, by inserting:
"(10) The amendatory act that added this subsection does not take effect unless both of the
following occur:
(a) For the fiscal year ending September 30, 2026, there is appropriated to the department
of state police the amount of $8,100,000.00 to implement the criminal background
checks and application renewal process under this section.
(b) A continuing funding source is implemented to cover the cost to the department of state
police for conducting the criminal background checks and application renewal process
under this section.".
Representative Tyrone Carter moved to adopt the amendment to HB 4284. The motion did not
prevail 2-7-0:
UNFAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Tyrone Carter and Scott.
Nays: Reps. Lightner, BeGole, Wozniak, Harris, DeBoyer, Johnsen and Schuette.
Pass: None.
Representative BeGole moved to report out HB 4284 with recommendation. The motion prevailed
7-2-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Lightner, BeGole, Wozniak, Harris, DeBoyer, Johnsen and Schuette.
Nays: Reps. Tyrone Carter and Scott.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 4947 and HB 4948 before the committee:
HB 4947
(Rep. BeGole)
A bill to amend 1978 PA 368, entitled "Public
health code," by amending sections 7340 and
7340a (MCL 333.7340 and 333.7340a),
section 7340 as added by 2006 PA 261 and
section 7340a as amended by 2014 PA 275.
HB 4948
(Rep. McFall)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 175, entitled "The
code of criminal procedure," by amending
section 13m of chapter XVII (MCL 777.13m),
as amended by 2016 PA 549.
Representative BeGole moved to report out HB 4947 with recommendation. The motion prevailed
9-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Lightner, BeGole, Wozniak, Harris, DeBoyer, Johnsen, Schuette, Tyrone Carter
and Scott.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Wozniak moved to report out HB 4948 with recommendation. The motion
prevailed 9-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Lightner, BeGole, Wozniak, Harris, DeBoyer, Johnsen, Schuette, Tyrone Carter
and Scott.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 4749 before the committee:
HB 4749
(Rep. Roth)
A bill to amend 1961 PA 236, entitled
"Revised judicature act of 1961," by amending
sections 810a, 8151, and 8176 (MCL
600.810a, 600.8151, and 600.8176), section
810a as amended by 2011 PA 300, section
8151 as amended by 2012 PA 33, and section
8176 as amended by 2022 PA 7, and by adding
section 8165.
The following person submitted a card in support of HB 4749, but did not wish to speak:
Trevor VanDyke, representing the State Court Administrative Office.
Representative Lightner moved to adopt substitute (H-1) to HB 4749. The motion prevailed 9-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Lightner, BeGole, Wozniak, Harris, DeBoyer, Johnsen, Schuette, Tyrone Carter
and Scott.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
Representative Harris moved to report out HB 4749 with recommendation, as substitute (H-1).
The motion prevailed 9-0-0:
FAVORABLE ROLL CALL
Yeas: Reps. Lightner, BeGole, Wozniak, Harris, DeBoyer, Johnsen, Schuette, Tyrone Carter
and Scott.
Nays: None.
Pass: None.
The Chair laid HB 4586 before the committee:
HB 4586
(Rep. Woolford)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 372, entitled "An act
to regulate and license the selling, purchasing,
possessing, and carrying of certain firearms,
gas ejecting devices, and electro-muscular
disruption devices; to prohibit the buying,
selling, or carrying of certain firearms, gas
ejecting devices, and electro-muscular
disruption devices without a license or other
authorization; to provide for the forfeiture of
firearms and electro-muscular disruption
devices under certain circumstances; to
provide for penalties and remedies; to provide
immunity from civil liability under certain
circumstances; to prescribe the powers and
duties of certain state and local agencies; to
prohibit certain conduct against individuals
who apply for or receive a license to carry a
concealed pistol; to make appropriations; to
prescribe certain conditions for the
appropriations; and to repeal all acts and parts
of acts inconsistent with this act," by amending
section 5b (MCL 28.425b), as amended by
2023 PA 37.
Representative Woolford testified in support of HB 4586. Questions and discussions followed.
Nick Buggia, representing the NRA, testified in support of HB 4586. Questions and discussions
followed.
Brady Schickinger, representing the Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, testified in
support of HB 4586. Questions and discussions followed.
Casey Armitage, representing herself, testified in support of HB 4586.
Tom Lambert, representing Michigan Open Carry, testified in support of HB 4586.
Gail Duncan, representing Moms Demand Action, testified in opposition to HB 4586.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to HB 4586, but did not wish to speak:
Cathy Tang, representing Everytown for Gun Safety.
The Chair laid HB 5113 before the committee:
HB 5113
(Rep. Outman)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 372, entitled "An act
to regulate and license the selling, purchasing,
possessing, and carrying of certain firearms,
gas ejecting devices, and electro-muscular
disruption devices; to prohibit the buying,
selling, or carrying of certain firearms, gas
ejecting devices, and electro-muscular
disruption devices without a license or other
authorization; to provide for the forfeiture of
firearms and electro-muscular disruption
devices under certain circumstances; to
provide for penalties and remedies; to provide
immunity from civil liability under certain
circumstances; to prescribe the powers and
duties of certain state and local agencies; to
prohibit certain conduct against individuals
who apply for or receive a license to carry a
concealed pistol; to make appropriations; to
prescribe certain conditions for the
appropriations; and to repeal all acts and parts
of acts inconsistent with this act," by amending
section 5d (MCL 28.425d), as amended by
2015 PA 3.
Representative Outman testified in support of HB 5113. Questions and discussions followed.
Steve Dulan, representing the Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, testified in
support of HB 5113. Questions and discussions followed.
Stephanie Huested, the Montcalm County Deputy Clerk, testified in support of HB 5113.
Questions and discussions followed.
Tom Lambert, representing Michigan Open Carry, testified in support of HB 5113.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 5113, but did not wish to speak:
Brady Schickinger, representing the Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.
Nick Buggia, representing the NRA.
Casey Armitage, representing herself.
The Chair laid HB 4980 before the committee:
HB 4980
(Rep. Maddock)
A bill to amend 1927 PA 372, entitled "An act
to regulate and license the selling, purchasing,
possessing, and carrying of certain firearms,
gas ejecting devices, and electro-muscular
disruption devices; to prohibit the buying,
selling, or carrying of certain firearms, gas
ejecting devices, and electro-muscular
disruption devices without a license or other
authorization; to provide for the forfeiture of
firearms and electro-muscular disruption
devices under certain circumstances; to
provide for penalties and remedies; to provide
immunity from civil liability under certain
circumstances; to prescribe the powers and
duties of certain state and local agencies; to
prohibit certain conduct against individuals
who apply for or receive a license to carry a
concealed pistol; to make appropriations; to
prescribe certain conditions for the
appropriations; and to repeal all acts and parts
of acts inconsistent with this act," by amending
sections 5b and 5l (MCL 28.425b and
28.425l), section 5b as amended by 2023 PA
37 and section 5l as amended by 2017 PA 95.
Representative Maddock testified in support of HB 4980. Questions and discussions followed.
Former Representative Gary Eisen, representing himself, testified in support of HB 4980.
Questions and discussions followed
Tom Lambert, representing the Michigan Open Carry, testified in support of HB 4980.
The following people submitted a card in support of HB 4980, but did not wish to speak:
Casey Armitage, representing herself.
Brady Schickinger, representing the Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.
Nick Buggia, representing the NRA.
The following person submitted a card in opposition to HB 4980, but did not wish to speak:
Cathy Tang, representing Everytown for Gun Safety.
There being no further business before the committee, Chair Lightner adjourned the meeting at
11:35 AM.
Representative Sarah Lightner, Chair
Melissa Sweet
Committee Clerk
msweet@house.mi.gov